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04-08-2014 , 05:30 AM

AKAWhatALyfe

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 508

Villain 1 is in the BB, and Villain 2 is UTG, hero is in EP.

The hand before, Villain 2 shops over the top of a different players bet only to get called and lose. He reloads for 200BB and this is the very next hand...

Blinds £1/£1

Villain 2 (£200) and UTG raises £20 (steaming)
Hero (£350) has QQ and reraises to £100.
Folds round
Villain 1 (Covers) in BB goes all-in.
Hero ?

Almost readless, only seen him lose a pot with KK when he got it all in pre and fold pretty much the rest of the night. Kinda get the feeling I played it wrong pre too, knew I was massively in front of Villain 2's range but didn't expect anyone else to wake up with a monster.

Advice?

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04-08-2014 , 05:42 AM

jzpiano

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What did Villain 2 end up doing?

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04-08-2014 , 06:04 AM

Duke0424

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,362

Fold

What hands do you beat that take this line with such deep stack depths?

You're hoping for a flip pretty much

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04-08-2014 , 06:20 AM

AKAWhatALyfe

grinder

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Sorry, Villain 2 called.

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04-08-2014 , 06:29 AM

RyanAA44

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I don't think we need to make it 100, I think 60-(depending on how game has been running)75.

If he's been super nitty and he shoves I'm very nervous and feel we are behind a majority of the time or are flipping against AK and praying for AQ or QQ and lower..

I fold

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04-08-2014 , 07:22 AM

johnny_on_the_spot

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 11,608

At worst V shows up with AQ or JJ, and that is very rare. 4! in 1/2 are usually KK+ though, especially if they are a cold 4!

As played, it's a fold.

While I agree with whoever said your 3! could be 60-75 under normal conditions, but you said the original V is steaming, if you can iso him with a bigger raise he'll call and your range is dominating his, I completely agree with doing so.

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04-08-2014 , 08:43 AM

MackCorl

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456

Really like the 100 raise with a steaming V who JUST reloaded, good place to get a easy stack off, ughhh cold 4bet? Puke fold.

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04-08-2014 , 09:12 AM

dgiharris

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We definitely have to 3-bet the steaming villain here but I think £100 is just a touch too high. I'd probably have gone with £80 against a steaming villain, he should call that with majority of his raising range. £100 isn't terrible but I think it crosses that psychological barrier (over 100) and folds him off more hands he would have tilt called with (like 99 or 88, or AQ/AJ)

other villain 4-bet ships it all in despite our 3-bet...

that is just sick. I throw up in the back of my mouth and puke fold...

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04-08-2014 , 09:41 AM

answer20

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The raise is too big. (55 to 70 is fine) 100 appears to be an obvious iso-move, but it does widen our range I think as well. A smaller raise allows us to fold a bit more.

If you are up against AK and TT then you are 42%, which means you are priced into calling. An over-pair leaves you at 18% so that's not good!! Must put a range on Mr. BB then.

So it also comes down to what do those chips mean to you and do you think you can recover them if things dont go your way here. Do you have more bullets? Are you a fairly conservative player or do you like to gamble?

I could call here some but I also fold as well ... coin toss .. GL

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04-08-2014 , 11:03 AM

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tronburger

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 7

Raising is definitely not the wrong idea in my mind. Probably a bit too high as others have said. I like $70.

The earlier hand history and the fact that the steamer called the push helps me get to the fold - but it's frustrating, for sure.

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04-08-2014 , 11:26 AM

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Triple7quinn

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 323

I'm getting sick and folding. Unless you have some sort of read that V1 is a maniac you should definitely fold.

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04-09-2014 , 06:01 AM

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AKAWhatALyfe

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Villain 2 called with K8. I called, and Villain 1 had AA and scooped.

Thanks.

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04-09-2014 , 06:48 AM

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spikeraw22

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3bet size depends on the moment. If hell call the 100 then great. If you expect him to shove over it then go a bit smaller since it won't matter and save a but when this instance happens.

Easy fold with v1 4bet shipping. It's almost never worse than QQ.

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