Not your typical 1/2, lots of aggression and 3betting all around. Very juicy, and boozy.

V1 (160) : Late 20s white with earphones. Seen him make a few moves and I've been waiting to get in position against him to GII. Overall pretty good about picking his spots, loves to 3bet OOP I've noticed. Flopped a set against him earlier in the night and he's slowed down against me since.

V2 (200) : Late 30s white, been downing coronas. He's been up and down stackwise, I perceive him to make a fair amount of bluffs to steal pots but doubled up once to his current stack not too long ago. I really want to get in a hand with him.

Hero (950) : Early 20s black. I've been chugging draft beers but have taken over as table captain after taking down many big pots. Image is pretty strong which allowed me to open up. When looked up I've always got it. I've been on my Agame all night. I'm starting to rack up but dealer deals me anyway so I play this hand.

Hand:

V2 opens to 6 from UTG+1
Folds to Hero
Hero in the HJ with QQ makes it 20
Folds to V1 in the BB who calls
V2 calls

Flop (60) : A85 dcd
Checks around

Turn (60) : As
Checks around

River (60) : 8d
V1 leads 45
V2 calls
Hero folds
V2 takes it down with Khigh

I've been cbetting around 75%, and when I don't I've been 100% betting turns. I wanted to take this line but the second ace killed all interest I had in the hand.

OTR I'm thinking of calling based on my reads of Villains and I think I'm good. But with the diamond draw getting there, as well as an A or 8 boat, I think at least one of them has to have it. I'm getting about 4:1 so I really could find a hero call.

After showdown I'm really thinking I misplayed the hand, but I think I'm leveling myself with results-oriented thinking.

Thoughts on all streets?

Would have bet 40 on flop.

Given your line, calling river all day, IMO any A or 8 is betting turn.

I sometimes check flop but I often cbet as pre flop aggressor on A high board. Checking is ok tho. When the second A hits the turn I would bet for value, your hand is good a lot of the time here. I probably sigh call river tho.

Neither represented the flush draw so I would have bet the river.

Side note: Stop drinking at the table. Unless this is just a hobby you should never drink while playing.

This is just a hobby but I log a decent amount of hours, my full-time playing days are long gone. Full-time I don't drink on the job.

I would tend to agree, but I don't get drunk, don't turn into a spewtard, and generally tilt less.

Checking this flop is fine. Hard to get value from worse other than a FD.

Bet the turn 100%. You're almost always good here and people will call lighter now.

I'd sigh call river but it's an ugly card so meh

this is absurd and you should shut up, if someone can drink and play poker they should drink and play poker. you shouldn't troll a thread a tell ppl not to drink at a poker table. how do you expect people to grow the game if you are telling them not to have fun?

I think your line is OK as long as you are betting this flop most of the time. This isn't a great flop for you hand multiway, and once the turn hits you should be aiming to get to the river cheaply. River is a toss up between fold and crying call because of pot odds.

Turn is interesting because your being laggy actually hurts you a bit here. Somebody with an ace is likely to check to you here, expecting you to bet your entire range, so the check doesn't tell you as much as it would a tighter player. And once the second 8 hits on river it is a total toss up if your ahead or not. If the better or caller where tighter I would chuck here instantly, but against these two a crying call is fine.

I think the turn is a pretty great card for you and after checking around I imagine a $40 bet would probably take the pot down. This has orphan pot written all over it. If someone had better than QQ they would have been betting it by that point.

And if you get called you always have the option of checking back the river.

Yeah I'm leaning towards agreeing with the bet turn. In hindsight it probably was a great scare card to bet, I just had ranged V2 on Arag

You gotta take a look at combinatorics. When the second ace falls the probability of V having one goes down drastically.

Bet turn.

Way too nitty. You are so underepped And have shown no interest in this pot . Given the villain described this is an easy call.

Why did the second ace kill your interest in the hand?

Hero's line in this hand doesn't make much sense to me. No cbet on this flop? Why?

b/f all three streets.

Maybe slow down OTR if its still 3 ways.

+1, river call mandatory with this line.

Comment is nittier than OP's HH

So the second ace killed my interest because of my PF range of Vs as Ax, especially with a bet and a cold call OTR.

I clearly misjudged them and should have bet though. This gets the ruling of too nitty then.

Yah but think about it, the second ace significantly reduces the chances that either of them have it. Furthermore, both of them checked the flop and the turn. If one of them has the Ace he's not going to give 2 free cards to a possible flush draw in a 3-way pot unless he is a moron.

So at that point, in my opinion of course, you need to bet that turn to bring an 8, higher PP or flush draw along for the river. You can't pull a Terminator time-paradox and say their river play affected (or justified) your turn check.

V's sound like very poor players based on the way this played out. You'll get em' next time.

I agree. I also only meant that since I had assigned an A to at least one of them, the river bet and cold call ahead of me seems much stronger than if I was unconvinced. Of course the second A does reduce their odds like you say.

For the flop, I'd really want to know the donking frequency of each V. If each of them is likely to x/c a wet flop with ace rag then I don't mind a check behind. Ax has to be a significant portion of their ranges to raise/call3b and cold call 3b pre.

On the turn I bet for the same reasons others have mentioned above; mainly the fact that they both checked twice on a wet board.

I think I like a call on the river as played given 4:1 odds and the bluffing frequency, although I'm not thrilled about seeing a bet and call in front of me with this board.

In regard to drinking at the table, put me in the "pro" camp. Don't get to a point where you make bad decisions/can't see the board well obv, but holding a glass of whiskey (while nursing it) can be a great way to appear far more loose and gambooly than we really are.

This.


You misplayed the hand because you had already checked out and wanted to preserve your stack.

I agree with you about the over call on the River. But not worried about an A, more worried about an 8, and depending on the abilities, or lack there of, the over caller might have, he might be getting sticky with a flush.

However, I agree with the rest of the responses re: turn bet. When green lighted twice, clearly noone has interest in the pot. The first check might have been a Ax, but the second check is almost never Ax, I would be betting to get value from a flush draw, and 8 or a pocket pair under QQ.

The river donk makes no sense, and the bettor's range is empty. However, the over call would give me pause sometimes.

as played snap the rive off

i may bet 60% pot on turn

however once checked 2 streets your hand is underreped and is the nuts on the river- call

Solid level.

I think the check flop bet turn line would have been optimal and taken this pot down. Given the $20 PF call from the EP villains, anyone with a good ace isnt folding on that flop so your cbet does not really rate to make any money except perhaps make very weak aces fold (weak aces dont seem likely given the callers are OOP to you in the hand)

The 2nd check on the turn from both indicates no one has an ace at this point. Any slowplayed ace would definitely bet the turn to protect against the diamond draw. A flopped two pair or set would also bet for value and protection against the diamond draw on the turn assuming the check on the flop was with an intention to c/r. So a boat with Ace-8 or a set of eights seems unlikely. Your bet on the turn will surely take this down. Hard to imagine someone with an eight calling as you have probably slowplayed AK/AQ yourself or have a higher pocket pair KK-TT

OTR, I think its quite marginal and depends on the reads you have for both. A single eight might have got there too, or maybe someone is calling with a completed diamond draw. Barring a strong read, I would fold too.