**** Sorry I got this all wrong, I was actually in CO

Wednesday midday, local casino, £1/1, bought in £300 buy in, 8 handed.

V1 (£450) : American in his 50s, talked about his days playing 5 cards stud in 70s
V2 (£240): Mid 20s LAG, plenty of history with him in the past. Bet/ raise his draw very heavily as well as big hands, since I say down he was involved with V1 and another player, he called £7 preflop and raised heavily on 46J flop, bet turn and spiked an 8 on river to take down the pot with 75o

Hero (£290): Fairly tight so far, showdown good hands and made no mistake so far

Hero dealt QQ in CO

V2 UTG limp, Hero raised to £6, BTN folded, SB folded, V1 BB called, V2 called


(£20)
Flop - 4 6 J

V2 checked, Hero bet £12, V1 called, V2 raised £27, Hero re-raised £62, V1 folded, V2 called.

(£156)
Turn - 4

V2 checked

What is the plan here? Bet 2/3 to chase out draw? All-in?

More pre now try to gii

Raise to $11 PF.

As played, shove the turn. Villain has about $170 left, so it's pretty close to a pot-sized bet.

In the example you give, he bets the turn with a draw. Here he isn't betting. Can you infer a set (now a boat or quads) from this? Certainly not necessarily, but it gives me something to think about in spots like this.

If the majority of his range is Jx or a draw, then by all means bet, with the plan to call a shove or shove yourself. Unfortunate if he has you crushed, but nothing you can do about it.

If, on the other hand, his sudden checking into you means a strong hand. Then it would seem prudent to check here.

All depends on your read of the situation, I would say.

It will be instructive to see what others have to say.

Lee
Lee

Forgive me as my live experience is limited, but...

From what you've said I'd call flop and look to raise or jam over his turn bet depending on pot size and the board.

You've given an example of the same flop where he x/raised his OESD then barrelled turn without improving, so you know he'll bet again OTT with his entire range, and we want him to do that to get more money in the pot when his range is weakest, not chase him out by 3betting the flop.

Also, by 3betting the flop we almost force villain to only continue with the strongest of his range, which are likely to be 2P+. We are effectively isolating ourselves against hands we're unlikely to have beaten by the river.

This is the driest of flops and not much there to be worried about, so think calling to get another bet off him OTT would be a better line and keeps all his bluffs in too. If the card looks safe, then calling a turn bet could also be a good option, especially as we have position.

Playing against LAGs is difficult, but as Ed Miller says, you almost have to play them in reverse. Call down your strong hands, and play your weaker hands more aggressively. It's not always that simple, but something to think about perhaps.

Only A4, K4s, Q4s, J4s, 45s, 44, 66 and maybe some 64s (That would justify his limp call PF) had me crushed, I have played with him enough to know he hardly check strong hand, I simply don't put him on that range. I thought think he had Jx (Which we now completely crush), 75, 53, some 87s.

my sole intention here is to bet, but I am unsure whether 2/3, pot or all-in is best option (Extract more value or take down)

Would have taken call flop line if V1 wasn't there, he has to be pretty decent player and wouldn't have called with less than Jx (Having played for 30+ years and V2 kept complaining about how V1 took a lot of his chips earlier)

If I'm re-raising the flop here, my intention is to shove every turn card with the exception of a jack or ace. I'd make it 75-80 to better set that up.

That said, against the described villain I'm flat calling the flop. I'd expect him to bet again on the turn >80% of the time, and with a much wider range than he would call my flop 3-bet with. Whether I call again or shove over the turn bet depends on what card it is, and how much he bets.

Wouldn't that be a reason to keep him in though, with only 6 outs to beat our hand? Although having said that, how many cards do we want to try and dodge on the turn with a semi-vulnerable hand against 2 players?

If v1 was a decent player though, he'd have to know that when v2 raises and we call, we have at least TPTK, so he should be folding all worse anyway.