Hero was card dead for hours but in the last 2 orbits had: 2 raise and take it, 1 raise and fold to flop donk, 1 raise and win on the flop with a c-bet. So table might think I'm getting out of line (actually those first 3 were out of line but no one saw any of them)

Villain has been at the table for at least 2 hours. He seems pretty standard reg-ish - loves to limp way to much pre, kinda fit or fold post, pretty ABC and on the passive side.

Hero is BB with QQ. Hero has a bit over $250, V slightly covers

5 limpers including V in MP, H $22 only V calls

Flop $50 J75r

Hero $35, V calls

Turn $120 J75 3

Hero $80, V calls

Turn $280 J753 J

Hero has ~$120 left

I was sizing to GII on a safe river but this is about the nut worst card in the deck. Do we c/f, c/c or shove here?

Any problem with the hand before the river? I wouldn't always look to GII with an overpair and an SPR > 4 but with my recent activity I think the table is getting suspicious and I can get paid off more.

Suits are important. Check call. Can't fold now.

I think the river is a check fold. Definitely lots of jacks in Vs range. Also some sets he has slow played to the river. No real draws. If he is on the passive side I doubt he would turn TT or 99 into a bluff on the river so if he bets the river I think it's a fold.

Yuck. I would check with the intention of folding to a river shove.

I expect that given the description of V as passive and ABC he is unlikely to turn a lower PP into a bluff, and will check behind with hands we beat and bet hands that beat us.

Hand looks WP up until this point.

Are we not folding any hands in our range? Out of AJs, KJs, AA,KK,QQ,JJ that get to the river played this way we obviously call AJ, KJ, and JJ. Do we fold any of QQ-AA? Seems bad if we are calling with our entire range.

x/f. If this amount felt was awkward, plan your sizings from the start.

Suits would matter here. What is he limp calling and then calling two streets. Most importantly what is he calling the turn with? So if there were some draws that he might have picked up ott with hands like A7s or A5s you could advocate for a c/c to allow him to bluff but even then it would be speculative because he would have showdown value and wouldn't really need to bluff. If he has like 88, 66 he will check behind anyway so I'd check and evaluate. But on this board I'd mostly c/f this spot vs an ABC pasive player without any other read.

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This. I wonder if overbetting the turn isn't too bad vs a limping range.

As played c/f. Bad runout, life goes on.


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Seems results oriented to want to jam the turn. V likely has 5 outs and the only bad river cards are J, K, A. I like the sizing on the turn and most rivers we just shove.

I'm more basing it on remaining stack size as opposed to what the river card is. Jamming river seems bad. Why do you think this is best? Nothing better folds. Nothing worse calls.


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I wasn't talking about this particular river but most rivers in general. Hence why I said any river but a J, K or A.

The problem with jamming turn is that maybe V gets away from a weak Jack that we could get at least one more street of value from.

I agree with that. I'm very likely x/f river. I can't see jamming being profitable.


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Don't remember suits. Turn might have brought bdfd but there wasn't a 3 flush on board at the end.

I'm not raising KJ in this spot and only some of the time with AJ - particularly given my recent history and feeling like the table was getting ready to fight back. That'd mean I only have JJ to continue here?

I'm not exactly sure my self. Just trying to narrow down what our range would be like on the river and what we are going to call/fold.

AJs (3 combos)
JJ (1 combo)
QQ (6 combos)
KK (6 combos)
AA (6 combos)

So we have 4 combos that are an easy call. I'm not sure how we need to divide our other combos to stay balanced against a 1/2pot bet. I'm still new at this range/combo thing so hopefully someone else has a better answer.

I think this is quite possibly a spot where the GTO answer is we have to x/c everything but the exploitable answer is we have to x/f everything besides AJ and JJ. If V is playing GTO he has bluffs here but in practice an ABC 1/2 player never does. His range has to be AJ, KJ, and sets and on this river we're behind his entire range.

This makes no sense at all.


Looks like a c/f.

First I'd like to state that I don't think there's any reason to worry about calling enough when we are against a villain described as ABC, passive fit/fold.

If we are worried about whether we are calling enough or too much, we have plenty of turn bluffs which can be x/f. Hands like QQ/KK/AA make good x/c since they have SDV and block value hands, but not the most likely bluffs (although suits could affect this a little). Against the described player his range is pretty Jx heavy even after he calls the turn, and worse hands he does get to the river with are unlikely to bet, so we can happily check/fold. All of our checks should be x/f since we should not be checking value hands against this player.

Gonna need a soul read on the river if we check and villain shoves. Leaning towards a fold because most players won't bluff shove missed straight draws here or merge with 1010 or 99 for value.

I agree. I just like figuring out what a balanced range would look like and then making adjustments for the given opponent. If the villain is as described maybe QQ+ is a check/fold.