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Old 04-20-2019, 11:22 PM   #1
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QQ OOP 3 BET POT

villain- overall loose passive. Mid - 50s Israeli guy who is extremely sticky. I have seen him 3 bet pre twice in about 21/2 hours and the only hand that he showed down in those 3 bet pots was AA.

Hero- my image is definitely aggressive and willing to put money in the middle.

UTG- limps 2

MP- limps 2

CO (HERO)- QQ makes it 15$ (250 effective)

BTN (villain)- 3 bet to 47$

folds around to me

Hero- Do we 4 bet? Do we flat? if we 4 bet do we just jam?

as played we call $47

Flop- 972

Hero- checks

Villain- bets 65$

Hero- do I just go broke and smile?

lmao I just feel like at 1/2 they always have it (such a fish statement)
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Old 04-21-2019, 01:39 AM   #2
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Rip flop now and get called by worse and better lol
No other option when you call the 3b pre and get a dream flop
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Old 04-21-2019, 02:06 AM   #3
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Re: QQ OOP 3 BET POT

Shove pre
Shove flop
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Old 04-21-2019, 04:50 AM   #4
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If you think he's only 3betting AA/KK, then fold pre. If you think he's wider, then go broke. It's not rocket science, but you're the only one who can answer that question, not us.
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:46 AM   #5
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If you think he's only 3betting AA/KK, then fold pre. If you think he's wider, then go broke. It's not rocket science, but you're the only one who can answer that question, not us.
problem is I have only been playing with him for 21/2 hours and I have no history with him
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:45 AM   #6
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Re: QQ OOP 3 BET POT

I prefer to jam or fold pre when out of position against this type of V.

AP: he has 16 AK + 6 JJ versus 12 AA/KK as you well know. Of course when I rip they also always have it.
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:51 AM   #7
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I prefer to jam or fold pre when out of position against this type of V.

AP: he has 16 AK + 6 JJ versus 12 AA/KK as you well know. Of course when I rip they also always have it.


I am not on board with this ranging. We cant assume he have all the AK combos as played. First of all not every 1/2 or 1/3 villain 3 bet every AK combos preflop, and second of all if they do they simply dont C-bet everytime they whiff the flop. The pattern of "no hit no bet" is surprisingly common for LLSNL villains.

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Old 04-21-2019, 09:01 AM   #8
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Dont pay off the nits
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:06 AM   #9
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I am not on board with this ranging. We cant assume he have all the AK combos as played. First of all not every 1/2 or 1/3 villain 3 bet every AK combos preflop, and second of all if they do they simply dont C-bet everytime they whiff the flop. The pattern of "no hit no bet" is surprisingly common for LLSNL villains.
I should have been clearer. I agree with your point entirely.

But if V is c-betting 50pct of his AK, perhaps 90pct of his JJ and 100pct of his AA/Kk, you have essentially a 50/50 proposition here. Heís in position and uncapped which adds to your problem.

You have great experience and are way better than me. You have the skills to play this hand oop in this manner. I donít. My experience is that even weak players in position can put crushers in tight spots with situations/hands like this.

I now try to avoid it by making my decision preflop. Even so, I would estimate that this exact situation has caused 50pct of my big losses this year.
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:18 AM   #10
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Re: QQ OOP 3 BET POT

Preflop should be a reraise here, I will reraise around $120 and happily call a shove, if you don't add QQ as your bluff hand here then you are playing very predictable. But if you think his reraise range is very tight pre then calling is better than folding and see what develops on the flop.
As played, I like the flop check, and you should only jam the turn. folding or calling is a mistake.
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:18 AM   #11
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I should have been clearer. I agree with your point entirely.

But if V is c-betting 50pct of his AK, perhaps 90pct of his JJ and 100pct of his AA/Kk, you have essentially a 50/50 proposition here. Heís in position and uncapped which adds to your problem.

You have great experience and are way better than me. You have the skills to play this hand oop in this manner. I donít. My experience is that even weak players in position can put crushers in tight spots with situations/hands like this.

I now try to avoid it by making my decision preflop. Even so, I would estimate that this exact situation has caused 50pct of my big losses this year.

I am not sure if i am way better than you, i dont know you- neither your game and your experience. However, its good that we understand eachother and are roughly on the same page.

If the guy is desceribed as passive though, i think we can let this one go as a default against this player types tendencies. I mean, i just think he is way way weighted towards KK/AA here compared to the other combos that we beat.
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:56 PM   #12
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problem is I have only been playing with him for 21/2 hours and I have no history with him
I keep reading this as 21 something hours, but now I'm guessing you mean 2.5 hours. Fair enough, then it is a bit more difficult to make this assessment.
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Old 04-21-2019, 11:27 PM   #13
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Re: QQ OOP 3 BET POT

I don't know of many 1/2 tables where I have seen anyone 3 bet 4x in 2.5 hours. That is pretty high in a short time frame. After the 2nd one, I am asking for the seat change button for sure. As for the hand, I would likely go with it preflop but on this flop, there is no going back now. GII
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:21 AM   #14
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I don't know of many 1/2 tables where I have seen anyone 3 bet 4x in 2.5 hours. That is pretty high in a short time frame. After the 2nd one, I am asking for the seat change button for sure. As for the hand, I would likely go with it preflop but on this flop, there is no going back now. GII
Villain has 3 bet twice in 2 1/2 hrs.
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Old 04-22-2019, 09:04 AM   #15
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Re: QQ OOP 3 BET POT

A loose passive player three bets you. Hard spot with QQ.

I think just calling pre is correct based on your description.

On that flop I think you can peel. I can imagine this kind of player firing a c-bet with AK, but he won't fire with it again on the turn, unless he catches.

Really depends on your read. As a default I call, and will stack off on the turn unless there is an ace or king.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:53 AM   #16
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Villain has 3 bet twice in 2 1/2 hrs.
Sorry misread. So he has twice before now so now it is 3??? Still a lot in a short time frame at these stakes..
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:05 PM   #17
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Re: QQ OOP 3 BET POT

just so everyone understands let me be more specific

he has 3 bet twice up to this point (this hand is the 3rd time) 2.5 hours

the first two times has been against a villain who makes it 5-15 around 70% of the hands he plays

I also have been 3 betting this villain with a very wide range

I saw one hand where they got it all in preflop and the villain (who im playing QQ against) had AA vs the LAG

so now this 3 bet is vs ME

I don't know if I am leveling myself into thinking he is trying to exploit me since I am also 3 betting the LAG however the LAG in this hand has limped and now he has 3 bet me and hasn't done this yet
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