Hi all,

1/3 early Sunday morning. Hero should have left hours ago but is acting against his better judgment and playing through the night in a (vain? yes) effort to break even. Stuck $700. Worst session in several months.

Table is mostly loose passive (including V, an older black lady). Hero is dealt QQ in EP and makes it $15. Only V calls. Pot $26. V is eff. with $180.

Flop: J-8-4r. Hero bets $15, V raises $30. V has never raised a flop the entire session and generally plays fit or fold.

How do we play future streets if we call? Is flop a 3! for value? Are we trying to get stacks in the by the river here or proceeding cautiously in case V flopped a set?

Thanks,
DT

I would have raised slightly more preflop if we have the same effective stack so we can stack off more comfortably with TP postflop.

SPR is kinda awkward 6ish (I'd be aiming for ~4 with TP type hands).

Weird spot in that we might not feel committed and a person who never raises the flop just raised the flop. Are they really doing this with AJ? I dunno, I guess we could call the minraise and see what happens, but then Jx is probably going to bet the turn again, so are we just calling again to see if they bet the river (where Jx will typically just happily check behind)? I usually go with the general rule that when a passive player raises the flop it's a good time to fold overpairs, but it's possible we fold the best hand once and a while in doing so.

Setup preflop for commitment better, either by raising more or by limp/reraising, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Fold an overpair to a minraise? Criminal! Hang him!

An over pair with 60bb effective?

Most of these villian types are just calling down with AJ and min raising u with sets and over pairs, laying it down is perfectly fine with a decent read

This all depends on the villain, need more info, in general I would just re-raise the flop thinking they won't be able to fold their Jx's. There are way more combos of Jx than sets, and if they ever have hands like 910s then that's even better, Im re-raising here in general

Versus this villain, it's probably a fold, but I doubt I could do it. Probably call and evaluate to see how she handles the turn.

Yeah I couldn't lay it down for $15 more bucks. She checked back a T ott.

River: K. Hero? Do we bet here or check again?

After she checks back the turn I probably go for a small bet/fold for value, something like $30 into $86.

GcluelessNLnoobG

The K is not a great card against a villain like this. She's rarely betting the river unless she has a pretty big hand and I highly doubt she's calling a bet on the river with a hand we beat.

You might get a crying call from a J with a $30 bet, though, but it's a snapity snap fold if she raises.

Calling Flop and leading River for like $20-25 as a blocker since I might be willing to call a bet up to $35 just to punish myself. GL

OK sounds like a small bet may have been a good idea otr. I'd just hate to bet and get raised there.

I decided to check and she checked back and showed AJ, the worst hand she could have had. Dodged a bullet.

Yeah this sounds about right here.

Very weird that she raised flop and checked turn. Description of Villain doesn't seem as if she has the turn check of a big hand in her arsenal. Was she really re-raising you OTF with a JT?? Is she really afraid the gutshot got there and her set is crushed? It doesn't add up. The more I think about it the more I think you are good here. UNLESS!... she has KJ which is certainly possible.