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10-08-2013 , 03:30 PM

ReallyAverageGuy

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 12

Ok so this was the first hand I played at this table and therefore I have no info about any of the players.

Game: 1/2 NLH
Hero Stack is 250
Villain has me covered.

7 handed play Villain raises UTG to 6 and 4 players call. Hero in the BB has QQ and 3bets to 37, Villain 4bets to 87 and all other players fold, Hero??

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10-08-2013 , 03:36 PM

Man of Means

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,104

What do you think is interesting? Default play in a live game is to fold.

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10-08-2013 , 03:39 PM

ReallyAverageGuy

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 12

The reason I say this is Interesting, It's my first hand at the table and I feel like no one is giving me credit for a big pair.

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10-08-2013 , 03:47 PM

StillLearnin

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 234

I actually think that opposite is true. Generally when new players join they are tighter for first 30 mins or so. Not sure if your villain shares the same view. I'd probably fold here and wait for a more "surer/clearer" spot.

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10-08-2013 , 03:56 PM

cxy123

adept

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 786

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Originally Posted by Man of Means

What do you think is interesting? Default play in a live game is to fold.

Not interesting unless provided some information.

V is aggro asian with how dare you raise me look? Or old-man coffee? Or has knock-off beats headset under his hoodie pretending to be 1-2 grinder? Most likely folding but there has to be some information from casual observation. Otherwise why post this?

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10-08-2013 , 04:01 PM

ReallyAverageGuy

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 12

Villain is clearly not a pretend grinder and in fact looks like he might have had a few to drink but not exactly pissed up, seems like a casual player and most likely not very good.

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10-08-2013 , 04:07 PM

Playbig2000

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11,336

I agree with cxy123 a bunch of information can be gained just by looking at someone, looking at his demenor at the table, how he stacks his chips, how old is he, is he playing a video game on his phone between hands, does he look like he's on vacation or does he look ilke a confident young grinder?

also when out of position I am either 3bet-folding, or 3bet-5betting and I don't feel comfortable about 5betting or flatting a 4bet out of position with queens.

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10-08-2013 , 04:10 PM

Playbig2000

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11,336

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Originally Posted by ReallyAverageGuy

Villain is clearly not a pretend grinder and in fact looks like he might have had a few to drink but not exactly pissed up, seems like a casual player and most likely not very good.

I would snap fold to him he isn't 3betting light. Its aces or kings especially with the "50 on top" of your 3bet

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10-08-2013 , 04:11 PM

ReallyAverageGuy

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 12

Playbig2000, I agree a lot of information can be gained just by looking at someone. He was a 35-40 year old white man who probably not that great a player. I was very close to mucking my hand but in the end I decides to 5bet shove and got snap called by 56s!!!!!
board ran out safe for QQ.

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10-08-2013 , 04:23 PM

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cxy123

adept

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 786

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Originally Posted by ReallyAverageGuy

Playbig2000, I agree a lot of information can be gained just by looking at someone. He was a 35-40 year old white man who ABSOLUTELY SUCKS. I was very close to mucking my hand but in the end I decides to 5bet shove and got snap called by 56s!!!!!
board ran out safe for QQ.

fyp

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10-08-2013 , 04:27 PM

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ReallyAverageGuy

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 12

Well that's why some of us play the london cash games, fwiw I know he absolutely sucks but I couldn't have know that before hand.

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10-08-2013 , 04:52 PM

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pike58jack

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 166

Anyone else paying attention to bet sizing at all? UTG betting only 6 said player is going to then have to play the rest of the hand out of position most likely multiway.

Except then hero last to act and close the action makes what to some looks like a squeeze play. The now big 4-bet really looks more like JJ's and AK then AA's or KK's.

Bigger question is how dropping 100 bb first hand is going to affect your play your image and overall meta game

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