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02-19-2019 , 03:16 PM

megamen70

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SB Young asian guy 300 effective. New to the table so no real reads.

BTN 40s white guy. seems like typical tight mediocre reg. Doesn't have the preflop leaks of the fish. But plays pretty straightforwardly postflop and will do a decent amount of limping pre.

TAG button accidentally raises to 10 when he meant to limp but action stands because he doesn't realize until sb has called.

I look at red QQ in the BB and make it 50. Button suspiciously and angrily folds and SB calls.

Flop comes A

(110)

SB leads out for 75. Hero?

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02-19-2019 , 03:24 PM

gobbledygeek

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I like our preflop sizing.

I'd probably just flat to keep potential bluffs in and to not risk hero folds, especially since we can easily get in stacks on the turn (especially in position). We do risk a handful of scare cards, plus AJ/AT might have a hard time hero folding with the gutshot, so I don't think shoving now is horrible either (would be my preference if there was a flush draw).

Geither/or,imoG

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02-19-2019 , 03:26 PM

mdelore

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Ship the flop, almost $200 in there and you started with $300, not much room for anything else.

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02-19-2019 , 03:28 PM

GatorXP

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Originally Posted by megamen70

: K

: Q

: (110)

SB leads out for 75. Hero?

I probably call and gii ott

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02-20-2019 , 11:07 AM

golferguy09

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GII on the flop. If a 10 or J comes on the turn, that will stop any action, against his AK/AQ hands. If he happened to flop the straight, you still have 10 outs to improve, but you dont want to loose the action when he only has $240 behind.

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02-20-2019 , 11:10 AM

Javanewt

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I just shove with this stack size. It will be tough for him to fold most decent Aces.

I can get behind a flat, but you have to be willing to shove all turns.

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02-20-2019 , 11:39 AM

XtraScratch8

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I pretty much was gonna say exactly all of this.
I think 50 pre is perfect.
I just think flatting and getting it in regardless of the turn is best.
There’s really only 4 bad turn cards (it’s either the ten or the jack, but not both), but you are getting it in on the turn even if one hits imo. Best to just let him lead most turns again when it’s almost always a brick or a boat. If he hits a gutter, so be it.

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02-20-2019 , 12:26 PM

CRAIerrday

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Call, pretty unlikely he has AK/AQ based on preflop action so that leaves AJ, KJ, QJ, AX hands and random bluffs in addition to JT. He's probably folding most of those hands to a raise on the flop, let him barrel.

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02-21-2019 , 03:59 AM

BackDoorFlush

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Rainbow flop = call

Flush draw flop = jam

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02-21-2019 , 04:05 AM

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WereBeer

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I snap it in.

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02-21-2019 , 04:08 AM

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monikrazy

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All in. I dont expect villain to bet/fold, but could see villain getting scared on certain turns.

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02-21-2019 , 04:09 AM

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Badreg2017

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Tag open limped the button?

I’m tempted to flat because he very likely has a marginal ace betting to figure out where it’s at. At a higher SPR I would be looking to bluff him off his hand here if we missed the flop. Shove obviously isn’t bad.

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02-21-2019 , 05:59 AM

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krilleater

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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8

There’s really only 4 bad turn cards (it’s either the ten or the jack, but not both), but you are getting it in on the turn even if one hits imo. Best to just let him lead most turns again when it’s almost always a brick or a boat. If he hits a gutter, so be it.

That is not accurate. The issue isn't just that a T/J could give him a straight, it's that it will scare him off an Ax hand.

The reason to put more money in on boards with draws is often not because we're afraid of being outdrawn, but because the draw coming in can scare off hands which would otherwise pay us off.

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02-21-2019 , 07:48 AM

#14

wait

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Call/call and eye are similar. Who cares as long as you don't fold.

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02-21-2019 , 08:38 AM

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XtraScratch8

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Originally Posted by krilleater

Yeah, I realize that.
If it wasn’t a rainbow flop I’d be more inclined to shove here.
I was talking about cards that lose us the hand.
I’m pretty willing to sweat a turn this short for 4 bad outs and 4 scare cards if I think it makes it way more likely I double up.
Most of the deck changes nothing.

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02-21-2019 , 08:44 AM

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XtraScratch8

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In many cases here the scare card that you’re referring to will also make V two pair, which doesn’t necessarily make him more likely to fold first to act.

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02-21-2019 , 09:01 AM

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MikeStarr

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If you think this guy will call an all in with AT/AJ then jam. If not, call and jam every turn no matter what it is.

He doesnt have AK/AQ and he will probably fold A9 or worse to a flop jam. I guess he could have KQ, but there's a good chance he folds that to a flop jam also because OP having AK/AQ is very likely if he jams now

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