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Old 10-04-2018, 07:16 AM   #1
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QQ facing donkbets 3way

Hero nitty image because of being carddead for couple of hours 250.
Villain 1 extremely loose limp/call happy. Fish reg. Plays there a lot but most of the time losing. 200
Villain 2 kinda tight. Made a few tight but good folds before postflop. 300

V1 and V2 limp, hero raises 12 with QQ in co, both call.
Flop (39) 322
V1 checks, V2 leads 17, hero and V1 call.
Turn (90) 3228
V1 checks, V2 leads 37, hero?
While hero is thinking about raising or calling V1 seems like he wants to call.

I thought V2 has for sure a middling pair. But was kinda worried about V1 still being interested and on the other hand i didnt wanna lose them by raising in case they have like 44-77, 99, maybe TT.
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:22 AM   #2
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Re: QQ facing donkbets 3way

Villain 2 may have medium pocket pairs as you suggested. Other possibilities in their range are A2s, or 33 but these are less likely given you suggest V is tight and they called your open raise preflop OOP.

Villain 1’s range is wider and could include some hands with a 2 like A2, K2s, 22 etc. 33 is another possibility. But could also be pairs like 44-TT. Could also be sticking around for draws with hand like A4, A5. What is your read on this Villain? Will they call passively with a good hand? It seems unlikely they have nothing here because they are not reraising to try to bluff opponents off the hand.

Unlikely either V has two pair given the board.

I would call. You are beating pocket pairs in their range and drawing hands. You’re most likely only beat by trips with a 2 (or pocket 33s).

If V1 changes their line and bets big on the river I would fold. If V2 continues their line on the river I would call.
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Old 10-05-2018, 07:21 AM   #3
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Re: QQ facing donkbets 3way

I just know that he is for sure a losing player. Plays there a lot but is really bad. I saw him x/c huge bets on F+T on a paired board with a FD and x/f river after he missed and put 2/3 of his stack in the pot. So a weak/passive station.
Not sure if he would raise a deuce in the hand ott.
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Old 10-05-2018, 10:46 AM   #4
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Re: QQ facing donkbets 3way

I do not understand why you didn't raise the flop. "$17? that's nice, I'd prefer if it was $65 actually"

As played, I think we still need to raise the turn for the purposes of finding out exactly where V1 stands. Make it $85, which is on the smaller side, but should fold out V1 unless he has the 2. If V1 he flats or even raises, you can be pretty confident that you're behind. While this line means you're committing more $ OTT, I think it allows you to get to showdown cheaply (if neither holds a 2). neither player is going to lead into you OTR after you just raised the turn unless they have it.
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Old 10-06-2018, 08:15 PM   #5
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Re: QQ facing donkbets 3way

^^ plus it makes it less likely they are going to suck out on us - compared to if we invite them to suck out by not raising.

When we flat post flop like that it is equivalent to "giving a free card".
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Old 10-06-2018, 08:22 PM   #6
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Re: QQ facing donkbets 3way

As played, putting in a smallish raise on turn. I agree that we should sometimes raise flop
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