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Old 10-09-2013, 11:17 AM   #1
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QQ facing action on the flop

Hero: Should have a good tight image. Came to the table about an hour ago. I haven't shown down any bluffs. I've raised 2-3 times and won them all with cBets or barrels on the turn. ($550)

V1: Likely tilting a little bit. Certainly loves to gamble. Doesn't like to fold post flop. Will call 20-30% of hands for a raise or limp. ($152)

V2: Mostly irrelevant, but a reasonable player. Won't make too many bluffs, but he's been calling loose preflop. ($65)

Preflop:
Hero raises to $15 UTG with QQ
V1 calls
Random calls
V2 call from the SB
BB folds

Flop ($58): 568
V2 leads $20
Hero raises to $60
V1 shoves for $137
V2 calls for $25 more
Hero?

$295 in the pot, $77 more to call. Thoughts?

I'm not really sure how aggressively plays his pair+flush draw or pair+straight draw, straight draw+flush draw and over pairs here.
I'm sure some of the time he shows up with a straight here but I know for a fact that he plays 2p this way.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:27 AM   #2
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Re: QQ facing action on the flop

Against a range of good flush draws, pair+straight draw, 99-JJ, sets, two pairs, and straights we have 51% equity and we're getting just under 4 to 1. Don't love to put the money in here but we have to, hopefully they will be sharing each others outs.

Against 2 villains with this same range we only have 26.6% but that's still enough to call getting 4 to 1.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:40 AM   #3
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Re: QQ facing action on the flop

You already got 4 to 1 in the main but only 1 to 1 in the side to call. So you call knowing that the betting is over and you may have a chance to lose main and win side to break even. Worst case is you are agaisnt a straight (or AA/KK somehow) and need running hearts.

You may lose this one but you will show down a solid hand to keep your image safe which will provide opportunities to play strong later in your session. GL
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:46 AM   #4
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Re: QQ facing action on the flop

Call. With a different board (7-6-5r) I'd be more inclined to flat call the 1/3pot bet and see what develops. The 8-6-5tt board suggests there are fewer made hands and more draws that would be willing to play for stacks.
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:06 PM   #5
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Re: QQ facing action on the flop

Call it. You are getting some odds in the side pot and still have equity in the main pot. If has trips, so be it. He might also have 2 pair with 5/6, but he should have any other combos. I could easily see him playing this way with 77, 87, 76, or any heart draw, so I think you're good way more than you have to be to make this profitable.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:46 PM   #6
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Re: QQ facing action on the flop

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Flop ($58): 568
V2 leads $20
Hero raises to $60
V1 shoves for $137
V2 calls for $25 more
Hero?

$295 in the pot, $77 more to call. Thoughts?.
This is a very ho-hum sigh-shrug-sigh-call.

You are getting close to 4:1 on your money. Both players have hands in their range that you beat.

When these spots come up, its not about soul reading villains for their exact holdings and then making the tough fold. No.

Its about ranging your villains and asking yourself, "What sort of hands can my villains have that make the plays they made..."

And in this case, there are a ton of 7x, 8x, and hands that can make a play for stacks here.

And given that we are getting close to 4:1 on our money, we only have to be ahead around 25% for our call to be profitable...

so this is the world's easiest ho-hum-sigh-shrug-sigh-call .
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