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QQ on the btn vs cold 4bet from BB @ 2-5 deep QQ on the btn vs cold 4bet from BB @ 2-5 deep

08-15-2015 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
...I'd say ranging individual opponents is the least applicable aspect of a site like this. There's just so many variable to account for and that's frankly impossible in this setting. The best we can do is make generalities and adjust as we go.
Actually, 2plus2 used to be a pretty awesome site for ranging people correctly until it got overrun by bad posters who would just regurgitate groupthink like "95% of 4bets at live 2/5 are KK+" instead of reading the details/reads/bet sizings/patterns posted by the author of the thread.

When a poster who has almost no experience at live 2/5 NL decides to post group think statements instead of doing advanced analysis in a complicated spot like this one, no one should be surprised that his statement will be wrong. Not only has he not put in the time and effort to think for himself instead of mindlessly subscribing to group think mess like "95% of live 2/5 4bets are KK+," he will be vehemently critical of anyone who bothers to challenge his groupthink mentality with serious thoughtful analysis.

The funny thing is that spikeraw should be the one who is actually learning something from this thread, but he is choosing to insult others instead of learning from others.
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08-15-2015 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Sigh. It's not being dismissed. It's being mitigated. I can't believe that anyone would watch an Asian play like a nit for however long he has but when he all of a sudden cold 4 bets we say, "aha! Those crazy Asians!"

The level of results oriented conceit that has surfaced in this thread is a poster child for why results shouldn't ever be posted.
you should reevaluate this view point.
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08-15-2015 , 02:14 PM
Scanning thread for any point where I made a blanket "group think" statement...

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I'll come back later with fresh eyes to see if maybe I missed it. Here's what I did actually say:


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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Grunch: This seems like a pretty trivial fold to me. He's quiet. He hasn't done anything wild yet. A TAG opened UTG, and his sizing says he means business and you can't set mine. This all points to >QQ. If he bluffed good for him. It was a pretty bad time for it.


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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
And you're ignoring a few things as well.

1. Sample size. He's only been at the table for an hour or two. Is that enough to really tell much of anything about anyone's 4 betting range?

2. Ya he's an Asian, but he's been a snug quiet Asian. You take your skin color, and I'll take his demonstrated tendencies.

3. Tight UTG raiser. This makes it far less likely that he's bluffing.

I didn't say he couldn't be bluffing. I said it's very unlikely he's bluffing.


Your tone in general is usually condescending and arrogant. I usually laugh at condescending arrogant people. I think I'll just laugh at you until you learn to behave better.
Maybe it turned out to be wrong in this instance but I don't think it's wrong or bad analysis (Especially the part about your demeanor) and it certainly wasn't group think. If anything your "Asians are wild especially against other Asians" line is the standard general spew confirmation from the masses. Maybe you should focus more on what I actually say and less on what you attribute to me falsely. Or you can just stay out of my face. You seem like a very unhappy person. I don't want you infecting me.

Ending the derail for the second time.
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