Playing at this table for about 5 hours now. Main 2 villains in the have been playing with for about 2-3 hours.

Hero ($675): Mid 20s, playing solid TAG poker have only been active when taking down big pots.

V1 UTG+1 (~$250): Late 20s black guy no real history with other than he called my $15 raise preflop earlier with Q8 when he was super short and flopped trip Queens on me. He checked the flop then check raised all-in for less when someone else in the pot donked into me and I just called.

V2 HJ ($175): Early 20s black guy who seems to play pretty decent. He did recently get caught in a 3 barrel bluff where he donked into the raiser on an AsTs4s board where his Villian called him down on all streets with a set of Aces and this V2 had KdJs and whiffed. He bet $65 on the turn and $60 on the river.

Hand: 4 limpers to me on the BTN with QQ and I make it $15. Typically my raises to $15 have gotten me heads up or 3-way. The big blind flatted and then every single limper called except one. Pot is now 5-way.

Flop ($78): T99

Checked to V2 in the HJ who leads for $30. I just call. V1 makes what I read to be a theatrical painful call.

Turn: ($168): 8

Checked through to me pretty quickly. I check.

River ($168): 4

V1 hesitates then checks. V2 takes about 5 seconds and ships his last remaining $125 all-in.

Hero?

I don't like the donk bet by V but that sizing seems weak. Could be to induce but I think he would donk bigger given so many in hand.

Given such a low SPR, I'm not going anywhere. Probably raising flop to 90.

Why would I raise? Isn't this a way ahead or way behind situation? I'd be raising for information which is a -EV play in cash games right?

Raising for value and to get hu.

raise for value against what? i guess a flish draw but most flush draws would fold on a paired board like this

flatting is 100% the correct move, raising only isolates you against the top of his range, most of which is already beating you (the top of his range that is)

you played this fine, now calling or folding is fine and i lean towards a fold woth v1 still left to act

only thing you beat is an overplayed Tx, JJ or mised draw

calling i guess is fine though but you can easily be beat here

also checking the turn is 100% correct here

Raise flop. Weak lead on a super wet board. Yes, sometimes someone has 9x, but there are way more draws.

As played bet turn. We usually have the best hand here after everyone checks. Still way more Tx and FDs than 9x and straights (we block obviously).


On the river, FD missed, we have a player who has been caught bluffing before, we're massively underrepped, the villain took a nonsensical line, we're only beat by a few hands, the bet is less than pot sized...snap call.

^ His bluff bet sizing is really different in the KJ hand history compared to here though

That's a good point but we don't have enough information to conclude with any degree of certainty that he only uses one sizing for bluffs and another for value, although that definitely could be true. We do know he's capable of spazzy bluffs,and the other factors make this an easy call I think.

I think this is a pretty standard call unless you picked up a specific read. The hand was played fine...now call river. I expect the only combo for him to show up that beats you is 89, otherwise why would he have not bet the turn?? On a tangent, a good argument could be made for raising larger preflop on the button....

Expect V2 to show up with A10 or K10 and V1 to fold with a busted draw.

I ended up folding, thinking this V2 guy wouldn't bluff so soon after he just got caught bluffing (but in retrospect I assume he could have been steaming/chasing losses here). V1 tank called and turned over T7. V2 showed complete air, no pair, no draw - which surprised me. Needless to say I was frustrated. How terrible is my fold?

The check thru on the turn is the key piece you seem to have been overlooking. On the turn, why would anyone with a 9 or straight check at that point in the hand given stack sizes??

I think it's a pretty bad fold. As the above posted said, turn check makes no sense with a value hand on a wet board. After you take this extremely weak line you have to call, you're going to induce bluffs often enough and villain can even be value betting worse.

Yeah that's what it felt like. Thanks for the advice. I ultimately thought he had a full house, or V1 who I thought was hollywooding still left to act behind me had a FH. I guess this is having "mubs" and I have to make this call 99% of the time?

One strong argument for calling the river is that the turn infact got checked around. When you check the turn there, you induce this riverbet.

Facing a villain who you know are able to spazz with bluffs, i agree that this totally brick river is a pretty much must call with the odds you are getting: his bet isnt even a full pot size one.

You invited him to bluff when checking on the turn and showing weakness, now just follow up and call the river. Its essential to understand how the turn check opens up your villain ranges, compared to if serious money had went in on the turn ( wich often will help you narrow their ranges).

Its hands like this you really learn from, when you post it here and getting other perspectives on the hand. Keep it up OP.

I have been dealing with MUBS myself (and still does from time to time), so i totally understand where your coming from.

We're raising to make the next V pay for draws. If we just flat here, we're giving that other V ridiculous odds to draw for oe or fd's.