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02-15-2014 , 04:22 PM
Hero ($400): Mid 20s, white, playing what probably appears to be tight as I've been card dead most of the session and just folding. I've shown down mostly winners. Accidentally flipped my KJs over when I mucked when I bet $15 pre and made a $17 cbet that got raised and I snap folded. Made 2 back to back correct semi - hero calls on with KTo facing big bets on all 3 streets from loose maniacs at the table.

Villian ($210): 30s-40s Indian wearing shaded glasses. Playing very TAG. Raises when he has it and when he has good hands bets extremely quick and usually very large. Have seen him take this line with AK on a JT5 board where he bet pot on the flop, binked am Ace on the turn, and bet huge on turn and river and got called down. So I know he's capable of cbetting.

Hand: Villian UTG opens for $14. He made the same open with AK. Folded around to me in the BB and I have QQ. I just called. I was torn thinking if I should raise and fold to a 4 bet, but I believed he was the type of player to go all the way with AK and didn't want to get blown off the best hand.

Flop ($29):

J98

I check. Villian snap bets $25. I call.

Turn ($79): 7

I tank check. He snap bets $50. I call.

River ($179): 4

I check. Villian bets $75. Hero?

What should I have done differently?
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02-15-2014 , 04:36 PM
I think if you are going to call turn then you can't fold on a bricked river so either fold turn or call river. Unless you think he two-barrels a whiffed AK you aren't ahead of much so I lean heavily towards folding turn.
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02-15-2014 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fishm0nger
I think if you are going to call turn then you can't fold on a bricked river so either fold turn or call river. Unless you think he two-barrels a whiffed AK you aren't ahead of much so I lean heavily towards folding turn.
i disagree. villain could easily be betting turn with a hand like AxKd. i think we have to check call flop and turn here. once villain fires river, i think he is never bluffing. he has to fire three streets here with nothing or turning a weak hand into a bluff for you to be good. you call two streets on this board so it looks like you'll call river a lot of the time. therefore i think we have to fold river.
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02-15-2014 , 04:41 PM
flat pre is standard. unlesss i think villain is raising pre with a lot more than just TT+, AK+ AND calling 3bets a lot, i would flat here almost always. otherwise i'd 3bet for fat value
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02-15-2014 , 04:42 PM
also you dont beat any value bets. any set or flush or straight, etc beats you. Heck even AA, KK beat you if villain is crazy enough to value those hands
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02-15-2014 , 04:54 PM
FOLD turn. Most villains are not barrelling such a scare card w AK unless they have AKdd or Ad.

If v is tight he will be even tighter UTG. If he doesn't have AA/KK, JJ and TT are now crushing you.

Eff stacks are not deep enough here to turn your hand into a bluff OTT although this could be considered when deep.

Your line is a classic fishy "I put you on AK" line.
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02-15-2014 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
i disagree. villain could easily be betting turn with a hand like AxKd.
And those are the only hands I can think of that we are ahead of. That's 10 combos of AK/AQ with one which we are ahead of (with 32% equity against us), 32 combos we are way behind (AA-KK, JJ-77, AKd, AQd), and one QQ freerolling us for the flush.

Agree villain is never bluffing river so as played river is a fold.
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02-15-2014 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
FOLD turn. Most villains are not barrelling such a scare card w AK unless they have AKdd or Ad.

If v is tight he will be even tighter UTG. If he doesn't have AA/KK, JJ and TT are now crushing you.

Eff stacks are not deep enough here to turn your hand into a bluff OTT although this could be considered when deep.

Your line is a classic fishy "I put you on AK" line.

Bullsye. +10
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02-15-2014 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax

Hero, Made 2 back to back correct semi - hero calls on with KTo facing big bets on all 3 streets from loose maniacs at the table.

Villian UTG opens for $14. He made the same open with AK. Folded around to me in the BB and I have QQ. I just called. I was torn thinking if I should raise and fold to a 4 bet, but I believed he was the type of player to go all the way with AK and didn't want to get blown off the best hand.

Flop ($29):

I check. Villian snap bets $25. I call.

Turn ($79):

I tank check. He snap bets $50. I call.

River ($179):

I check. Villian bets $75. Hero?
Do you see the pattern here?
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02-15-2014 , 05:59 PM
I'm 3 betting pre every time here and probably just calling of V 4 bets. As played I like calling flop but I think I just give up on turn. V can be betting sets here and AA KK, I really don't think you beat anything...
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02-15-2014 , 08:17 PM
I wasn't using a brain dead zombie read of " I put him on AK" . I was going off the fact that he played AK similarly before and his turn bet wasn't a full pot bet which was suspicious to me. I folded the river as I figured the only hand I could beat was AK with one of them being diamonds.

Could there be an argument to open shove the turn? BTW, he told me he had Kings after the hand.
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02-15-2014 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
I wasn't using a brain dead zombie read of " I put him on AK" . I was going off the fact that he played AK similarly before and his turn bet wasn't a full pot bet which was suspicious to me. I folded the river as I figured the only hand I could beat was AK with one of them being diamonds.

Could there be an argument to open shove the turn? BTW, he told me he had Kings after the hand.
You're risking too much. If you want to bluff, bet $50 on turn and shove river. If he calls turn it'll just build a bigger pot for you to steal. Also you can credibly have a lot of flushes or straights in your range whereas its much harder for him to unless he opens really wide pre
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02-15-2014 , 09:39 PM
Flat pre is way better than 3betting. Your not even supposed to 3bet a Lj open with QQ in 6max, why would you 3bet a utg open in full ring with QQ. The only time i 3bet this is if 4+ people called the utg raise.

As played call flop is good
Turn is the decision point. Im calling here though because his bet size is somwhat small, and i would imagine all his Ad combos are barreling turn.
River is epic brick, and his bet size is again very small. Your getting almost 4:1. I call
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02-15-2014 , 11:04 PM
fold turn
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