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02-14-2014 , 12:49 PM

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daniel9861

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Think c/f is best.

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02-14-2014 , 01:04 PM

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blueshoes

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Lol at check fold. U 3 bet so c bet wtf?

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02-14-2014 , 01:07 PM

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jpsychlady

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Originally Posted by blueshoes

Lol at check fold. U 3 bet so c bet wtf?

I Actually 4 bet. I have slightly more than a pot sized bet behind. Do I check call, Bet 1/2 pot, shove, or c/F?

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02-14-2014 , 01:10 PM

#29

iraisetoomuch

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

Think c/f is best.

Can you explain to me what's wrong with my math in that case?
Because unless I did something wrong the math would show that its +EV to shove as opposed to EV neutral to just check/fold.

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02-14-2014 , 02:08 PM

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daniel9861

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He doesn't have anywhere near 6 combos of KK and I think this player has some combos of AQ here.

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02-14-2014 , 02:20 PM

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Oddhalo

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I think your 4 bet was a tad too big.. Esp if you wanted him to ship over you as u stated, give him the illusion of fe.. Like 135-145 does the same thing from a leverage perspective.

This flop sucks btw u dont beat Any Ax,KK,jj i def wouldn't cbet flop either.

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02-14-2014 , 10:02 PM

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troloyolo

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The guy 3 balling the **** pit pf ypu prpbably isnt expecting the 4ball from you. It wont look bluffy at any sizing and he will play well.

Flat, its not close.

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02-15-2014 , 12:11 PM

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jpsychlady

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Ok. Looks like the thread is dead.

I shoved, he folded. I had pretty much decided that I wasn't folding this hand against him. I think QQ is so far ahead of his range that I wasn't folding. My one thought is maybe I should've checked, let him bet and then called

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02-15-2014 , 12:29 PM

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bubonicplay

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Yikes, were shoving 650 with only like 85 in the pot? Deff call pre and let him fire.

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02-15-2014 , 12:40 PM

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jpsychlady

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Originally Posted by bubonicplay

Yikes, were shoving 650 with only like 85 in the pot? Deff call pre and let him fire.

You might want to read the whole thread

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02-15-2014 , 01:02 PM

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bubonicplay

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I am flatting then because we have a great hand to call barrels with.

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02-15-2014 , 01:04 PM

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bubonicplay

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Flop was a bad ace so I'm probably checking for pot control. I don't think check calling barrels is that bad.

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02-15-2014 , 01:08 PM

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bubonicplay

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If he checks back flop I'm betting turn small and shoving river

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02-15-2014 , 01:13 PM

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djkelly69

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If you had decided you weren't folding, then why shove?? That just guarantees he can't call/gii with worse, whereas at least c/c or c/j he can bet w worse and be committed.

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02-15-2014 , 06:36 PM

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rm81

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Originally Posted by djkelly69

If you had decided you weren't folding, then why shove?? That just guarantees he can't call/gii with worse, whereas at least c/c or c/j he can bet w worse and be committed.

well a chance he folded KK or QQ but I would of probably just check folded although I never 4 bet as high as 200 here

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