$1/3 NL 8 handed

Hero has been sorta running over the table. Bought in $300 and ran it up to about $750. Was up more but lost several pots in a row and beginning to develop a losing image. Hero has been relentlessly isolating limpers w anything playable and been taking pots down uncontested with a 2/3 pot Cbet. However recently Villain who is a mid aged French man who had been playing pretty tight passive for the past 3 hours but recently within the past 2 orbits he has 3bet my flop CBet on 3 seperate occasions. Ex 1 limper Hero makes it $20 with A8s Villain calls out of Bb and limper calls. Flop T64r Ck ck hero bets $40 and Villain ck raises to $90. Hero folds. Ex 1 limper hero makes it $15 w AJo Villain calls Hu. Flop K74r hero bets $20 V raises to $70. Hero folds.
OTTH
Hero opens $20 (750) QsQd EP. Btn calls and V calls from bb (covers)
Flop (60) J65dd checks to hero who bets $45. Btn folds and V asks how much then raises to $115. Hero calls.
Turn Td V double checks his cards then jams for ~600
Hero?

Just fold dude. It sucks that the J wasn't a Q or that you didn't have JJ. There's better spots.

I feel like at a glance there's very few combos of pair+diamond that you're not far ahead of, and lots of 2 pair/flush/sets that have you crushed for way too much money. People play dumb, but not that dumb

fold. v seems pretty good raising on k hih boards possibly knowing k hih boards hit players ranges much less than say A

EDIT: also playing lag its easy to level yourself. you can poorly adjust to players. dont assume crazy people get crazy money in light and this guys not even crazy.

Unless you can soul read him for AJ with the ace of diamonds this should be a fold. Once we get deeper we need to limit our stack off range to fairly nutted hands; an over pair on a 3 flush board is not fairly nutted.

Why not 3bet the flop here? This seems like a great spot to get value from AJ and flush draws.

Unless entire table is playing extremely splashy pre and super deep, or you're specifically trying to iso a big fish, I think sizing pre is too big.

As played I like flop sizing and definitely just call raise.. Unfortunately we just have to let him win on this turn.. We will have plenty of nutted combos to punish him if he's getting out of hand. No reason to include 1 pair hands into our calling range for 200 bbs all in.

The bottom line for me on the flop is that we're deep and we only put in ~2.5% of our stack preflop to create a rather large SPR of 12 (3ways). There's just no way we should comfortably stack off here postflop, imo, and yet the recent history of betting and facing a check/raise from Villain will easily get ourselves on our way to playing for stacks. So because I don't want to play for stacks, I check the flop.

We have to have a plan of what we're going to do before we bet. We knew by betting that we were most likely going to face a check/raise, which would create a big pot, where we'd likely/possibly face a bet on the turn where our stack is at risk. Therefore, make a plan. If you're willing to play for 250bbs stacks with an overpair on the turn if the draws bust, then play accordingly (i.e. follow thru with stack off plan, ETA: or as someone else mentioned, 3bet the flop); if not, then play accordingly (i.e. pot control on the flop).

GcluelessNLnoobG

A $20 open in EP ain't considered too big at the 1/3 tables I play at. Also, there's at least 2 players at the table who are 250bbs deep. And, in the end, our "big" open barely narrowed the field to 3ways (we'd prefer HU).

Gifanything,thepreflopraiseneededtobebiggerG

two things

1 - he doesn't want a call
2 - he doesn't have diamonds

I am snapping this and expecting to be ahead on the turn more than 50% of the time.

the table dynamic is heavily in your favor.

even if he has JT off, we are not that big of a dog.

most of the time I am expecting to see him with AJ or KJ, where he has the Ace or King of diamonds

Ok so at the time my thoughts were:
This guy has been raising my flop Cbets but most of those boards were really dry, making me believe he was prolly raising his TP or MP hands to see where he was at. On this hand it's wet and I didn't think he would semi bluff on this flop. He's still considered passive and isn't in his nature to bluff. He's more the type to protect his hand by raising. So when he raises my flop bet to $115 I put him on primarily AJ KJ And I guess sets. Given that maybe I should be raising for value? Wasn't sure if a flop 4bet would fold out AJ so I called. On the turn when the Td falls he double checks his cards then announces all in for 600 into 295. Idk probably a fold but the range I assigned him on the flop is still similar cus I can see him maybe jamming w AdJ KdJ and if he had a flush why would he just jam like this?? I tanked for a bit then snapped in a few blue chips that I was shuffling. The river brings 5h and he opens JJ for top full house �������� I felt like I was the worst. Def need to work on my deep stack game.

Both of you played horribly. His turn line is amazingly bad.

If Villain put Hero on an overpair + draw and figured he'd never fold to a shove, didn't he kinda play it expert?

GcluelessNLnoobG

If I felt he was trying to play back at me the past couple of hands and he jams 600 into 295. I could find a call as well. It honestly looks like AdJ played by a passive villain. I would ask myself, do i really think he's been bluff raising us on the flop the past few hands we played together or is he just catching a good run of cards. But most importantly, i'd ask myself do I truly think this guy is capable of shoving 200bigs with 1 pair or no pair w/ FD for 600 into 300. If he doesn't seem like the type, then pretty easy fold. Live players don't over bet bluff often at all. They do it with nutty hands only.

There are two surprises in this hand. The first is that you called, because every reasonable hand he's repping has you beat, even the two pair hands that are basically bluffs on this board.

The second is that he only had top set, I would have put him on AdKd for sure, especially with our Qd blocker. It explains the raise on the flop and kind of explains the jam on the turn, as players for some reason love to shove with nutted hands on the turn, probably because they get paid off more than they should.

More likely he gets snapped off by flushes and folds out almost everything he is beating.