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01-28-2018 , 06:22 AM
Stack Sizes

Villain 1:$680.00
Villain 2:$560.00
Hero:$365.00
Villain 3:$240.00

Player Descriptions

Villain 1- maniac lag has been drinking nothing else to say. opened to $40.00 pre with 48 suited

Villain 2-Older woman in 60's. Loose aggressive pre and on flop but come turn and river tightens up extremely. when she is in there she is strong.

Hero- TAG just lost a huge pot to villain 1 with AK vs his 48 suited

Villain 3- loose passive terrible player never wins

V1 UTG limps $2.00

V2 UTG+2 calls $2.00

Hero Buttonraises $15.00 Q10

V3 BBcalls $15.00

V1calls $15.00

V2calls $15.00

POT=$60.00

FLOP

A29

V3 checks
V1leads out $20.00
V2calls $20.00
Hero calls $20.00 ( is anyone on board with raising here??) as played we called
V3folds

TURN8

V1bets $45.00
V2raises $90.00
Herocalls $90.00
V1tank folds

POT=$354.00

RIVER4

V2checks
Herohas roughly $235.00 behind in stack. what is our sizing here. ill post later on what I did
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01-28-2018 , 06:47 AM
You should wait 24 hrs before posting results, as it gives everyone time to respond.

I raise the flop to $65

AP, I bet whatever I think V will call OTR. He may be trapping with the nutz, so be ready to catch some kind of obvious tell if he raises. I probably can't fold though, unless it's too obvious.
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01-28-2018 , 01:18 PM
I'm betting ~$125. AI isn't getting called a lot I don't think. Targeting aces up or maybe even just a big ace. Not at all worried about the K flush. If she has it, she has it.
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01-28-2018 , 01:47 PM
Calling flop is good
Anything other then jamming river is horrendous
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01-28-2018 , 02:17 PM
80 on Flop, river is clear shove. What on earth min raises turn multiway that won't call a 2/3 pot river shove?
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01-28-2018 , 04:37 PM
Shove turn. As played, shove river.
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01-28-2018 , 04:40 PM
katman have you ever played 1-2? a 60 year old woman minraises to 90 and you have second nuts.......I'm never jamming turn but river I can get with jamming
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01-28-2018 , 04:47 PM
I don’t think jamming river is right. $235 is a massive bet in live poker (1/2), even tho less than full pot. Think you have a much better chance getting called if you bet something like $110
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01-28-2018 , 04:53 PM
scott you are 100% right I think after she checks river we should include Ax 2 pair combos we want to get paid by...people forget what 1-2 is like ...its funny how they think u jam here they fold a lot but if u bet 100 they snap call I just want to see everyones opinion
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01-28-2018 , 07:00 PM
I don't think shove gets called by many worse hands, even like a 9x flush might fold

So if you lead anywhere from 75-125 looks ok, or even smaller if you want it to look like a blocker bet

I'm not sure how much strength min-raise shows here, it could easily be villain is not interested in going for any more value

If she is going to fire again on the river xc looks good
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01-28-2018 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz
katman have you ever played 1-2? a 60 year old woman minraises to 90 and you have second nuts.......I'm never jamming turn but river I can get with jamming
Yes, I have played 1-2....and 60 year old women do not min-raise the nut flush on the turn in a multi-way pot....especially the loose aggressive pre-flop type.
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01-28-2018 , 07:35 PM
typical 1-2 mentality I don't want to scare them away so let me min raise ...I don't know what 1-2 you play but when a 60 year old woman raises alarm bells go off
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01-28-2018 , 07:37 PM
Spoiler:
hero- bets $85.00 ..villain snap calls with j9 hearts and says nice bet but I wasn't calling an all in
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01-28-2018 , 09:33 PM
Obvious jam.

$85...really? Come on man. Don’t you like money?
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01-28-2018 , 09:35 PM
i don't think its an obvious jam i really didn't think she was calling an all in only thing i feel like i could have done was go bigger like 120
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01-28-2018 , 09:36 PM
i mean when i flat her min raise I'm showing super strength
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01-28-2018 , 10:08 PM
Flop is just a call.

Flatting the turn is pretty strong but so is cold 3betting. You should probably be mixing it up but with our stack size I like a shove.

River..shove
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01-28-2018 , 10:25 PM
People saying shove river, I don't think have much experience in live 1/2.
We have QThh, so we have the 2nd nuts and block the 4th nuts.
Theres only 1 possible J high flush in her range J9hh. Maybe that will call a jam, but that's one combo, and could also fold to a jam.
It is much more profitable to bet a size all of her flushes will call.

Against a reg that you have history or a dynamic with, jam is more profitable, but not against an old lady.
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01-28-2018 , 11:27 PM
People don’t fold flushes at these stakes. Either they’ll just snap call cause flush, or they’ll tank for a few secs and call cause flush, or they’ll tank a bit longer, convince themselves you’re bluffing with the Kh, and call.
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01-28-2018 , 11:48 PM
Shove is just a pretty standard play regardless of where it's at. Maybe 1/2 pot but whatever. If she is only calling the river with the nuts you should be jamming on her a ton
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01-29-2018 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
People don’t fold flushes at these stakes. Either they’ll just snap call cause flush, or they’ll tank for a few secs and call cause flush, or they’ll tank a bit longer, convince themselves you’re bluffing with the Kh, and call.
Are you serious?
You think a 60 year old woman even knows a blocker bluff is? Highly doubt that
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01-29-2018 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TrubyKGB
Shove is just a pretty standard play regardless of where it's at. Maybe 1/2 pot but whatever. If she is only calling the river with the nuts you should be jamming on her a ton
Yeah, you should be. But obviously when you hold the second nuts isn’t the time to do it.
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01-29-2018 , 12:28 AM
she checked the river because she doesn’t want to put all her money in. So yea, I believe if you jam she’ll fold.
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01-29-2018 , 12:28 AM
People love to call. It’s hilarious.

Jack hi flush would have snap called
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01-29-2018 , 01:20 AM
Obvious turn jam is obvious. Obvious river jam is obvious. LLSNL villains don't fold flushes.

Lots of results-oriented thinking going on ITT. This lady was not folding her flush at any point.
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