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Old 05-20-2018, 02:35 PM   #1
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Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Hi all,

1/3 game 6 people limp to us in the B.B. we have Qd7s

Flop ($21) 10h 7d 7s
Checks thru

Turn: Ah

We bet 15 and two other people call

River (66) we bet 35 get a call and last to act raises to 125 total effective stacks are about 400
The river was a 2d sorry

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Old 05-20-2018, 02:53 PM   #2
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Did you mean to type that the river was an offsuit 6? Reads? Position of the Villains?

Readless, on an offsuit 6, I make an exploitable hero fold here, expecting the raiser to have 89 very very often.
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Old 05-20-2018, 03:16 PM   #3
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Really needs reads and positions. You should donk the flop sometimes in a limped pot. With 6 limps charging 98 to draw is often your biggest value in this sort of hand.

When the river is raised it's a fold by default. You are representing a good hand when you bet river into multiple opponents. That got a call and then a raise. Depending on the player I could make this call some of the time but it's situational. The player in the middle matters, the tighter they are the strong a hand is needed to raise.
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Old 05-20-2018, 05:53 PM   #4
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Fold pre, lead flop. Readless I fold river, A7 seems likeliest hand.
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Old 05-20-2018, 06:04 PM   #5
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Yeah I'm leading the flop in this situation at almost all of my games.

As played, I agree with a river fold, although I actually think it's really close. There are worse 7s that can be raising here in a 1/3 game based on the way the hand played out.
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Old 05-20-2018, 06:10 PM   #6
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Folding river on the 2 without a read is bad. You're getting 3:1, there are few plausible combos that beat you, and there are many worse 7s with which he can mistakenly believe he's sprung the master tarp.
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:53 PM   #7
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Fold pre for free? Nah Ill have a free look...

I'd lead at least pot on turn as A and flush / straight draws often have inelastic calling ranges.

As played need to fold on river. You beat none of his value and can't see him bluffing into two players and on the river nonetheless. People just don't do that at these stakes.
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Old 05-20-2018, 09:35 PM   #8
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

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Fold pre, lead flop. Readless I fold river, A7 seems likeliest hand.
OP was the big blind.

How can he "fold pre"?
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Old 05-20-2018, 10:11 PM   #9
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Lead the flop and super easy call on the river.
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Old 05-20-2018, 11:01 PM   #10
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Lead the flop and super easy call on the river.
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OP was the big blind.

How can he "fold pre"?
My bad.
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:37 PM   #12
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

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Did you mean to type that the river was an offsuit 6? Reads? Position of the Villains?

Readless, on an offsuit 6, I make an exploitable hero fold here, expecting the raiser to have 89 very very often.
We beat 89 as river is a 2. I dont think there is any play but call here.
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:38 PM   #13
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We beat 89 as river is a 2. I dont think there is any play but call here.
I agree, see my later post after he edited OP.
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:42 PM   #14
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I agree, see my later post after he edited OP.
Sorry missed it b4 I posted. My bad
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:31 PM   #15
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Re: Q7 in the B.B. 1/3

Preflop is obvious, imo.

I probably lean towards donking the flop. There are some draws and we'll end up on the good side of a cooler a lot more than on the bad side (for example, I would consider checking 76 here because against most opponents you don't want 3 streets worth of betting going in).

I probably PSB the turn. Good chance someone has an Ace so let's get more value.

I think I'm ok with our smallish 1/2 PSB on the river as this should never be a bluff into 2 opponents so we're just trying to eke out a call from Ax at this point. With us betting again from EP into two opponents and someone calling, and the raise opening things up for big stacks behind to get in play, the raise is *never* a bluff. The question is whether it could be done with worse. I kinda don't think it is (the best worst hand J7 most likely just calls with this type of action knowing it can be beat), and with no raise going in on the turn on a drawy board, it's most likely the case that Villain already had a boat on either the flop or turn (or lol backed into one on the river). I fold.

I would need reads that opponent is really clueless / first time around the block before considering a call here.

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