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Q5o in an odd limped pot spot Q5o in an odd limped pot spot

02-16-2019 , 12:18 AM
Hey all have a recent hand at 1-2 which was really odd and I feel I may have made a big mistake.

So I’m playing 1-2 at parx, most stacks at table are 200-300. 6-7 players end up in a limped pot where I complete I’m the small blind with q5o. Bb checks and we see a flop of 559 rainbow. I check, and it checks to cutoff (semi aggro asian)who makes it 12. Button flats, and I pop it up to 45. Folds around to original raiser who makes it 100 and button (Russian who is prolly playing too many hands pre and limping, etc)flats. I think about it and muck.

I can see k5 and a5 well in either players limp range and the action of the hand makes me think I have to be beat here even though maybe a 1-2 villian is bad enough to do this with a worse 5?

Any advice on different way to play this? I started hand with prolly 300 and I’m sure effective stack of Villians was 200-300. Russian had 200-250 probably and asian had 250-300 (not sure of exact stack sizes but they were around those sizes). I assume I will be told raise folding flop might be terrible.

I will post what hand one player said he had and what happened on turn after some discussion of the hand.
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02-16-2019 , 12:55 AM
No doubt you're going to get 800 "fold pre" replies, I think completing and folding are both OK in that spot.

OTF, I tend to just lead in this spot. Checkraising is inherently unbalanced, it's hard to put bluffs in because of the frequency with which you run into hands vs this many opponents. Checkraise therefore turns your hand face up as a 5 or better, which is why the reraise is so hard to face.

The reraise is a weird spot. Both players are claiming to have a 5 and they can't both. Surely the semi-aggro Asian can't have 99 here in view of limping preflop? I think you can't fold for this much more given that a Q very likely stacks someone and there are chances you're just good. It's not impossible the turn could check around.
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02-16-2019 , 01:27 AM
I think for $55 more, getting like 5 or 6:1, I have to call. Definitely slowing down from here, but not folding yet, even in a limped pot.
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02-16-2019 , 06:06 AM
Gotta say it. Fold pre. These types of holdings out of position are -ev.

IF I ever get myself into this spot on the flop I'm leading. I don't want to get into a spot like this. Tough spots can be worked out afterwards usually but it's always better to avoid getting yourself into these spots. As played you can't fold. Theres one five left in the deck. They each have less than 2 percent chance to have that card. Sucks if someone has pocket nines but you can't fold three of a kind.
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02-16-2019 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
I think for $55 more, getting like 5 or 6:1, I have to call. Definitely slowing down from here, but not folding yet, even in a limped pot.
I think this is a little short sighted. Sure you can call and check, but odds are someone is going to bet again and then you are in another bad spot. I think a call here commits you.

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Originally Posted by ArthurT93
Gotta say it. Fold pre. These types of holdings out of position are -ev.

IF I ever get myself into this spot on the flop I'm leading. I don't want to get into a spot like this. Tough spots can be worked out afterwards usually but it's always better to avoid getting yourself into these spots. As played you can't fold. Theres one five left in the deck. They each have less than 2 percent chance to have that card. Sucks if someone has pocket nines but you can't fold three of a kind.
Statistically, sure there is a small chance. But action would dictate there is absolutely another 5 out there and maybe even a bigger hand than trips.

This is very read dependent for me, but I've busted myself on too many hands like this to see it through to the end. Don't go broke in a limped pot at 1/2.

Marsh
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02-16-2019 , 10:54 AM
Call pre is fine. Table image is a thing and folding for $1 makes you look like a nit. You just need to play good postflop.

Just call flop. It's a six way limp pot players arnt going to call raises with k9. People are expecting someone to have a 5. You could raise with A5 and some random bluffs like 67 and 34 suited with the same suits as one of the cards on the flop (6 combos of bluffs to go with 12 combos of value), but why bother? Just never raise here there's no reason to have a raising range.

Easy fold AP.

Last edited by TheSamasaurus; 02-16-2019 at 11:04 AM.
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02-16-2019 , 11:06 AM
Also worth noting it looks like the Russian dude is flatting in this spot with a hand worse than a 5. So he's calling suppperr wide. You should look to bet very thin vs him in the future. Assuming reraiser has the last 5, the only concievable hand that he should play this way is JJ but that's likely raising pre
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02-17-2019 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSamasaurus
Call pre is fine. Table image is a thing and folding for $1 makes you look like a nit. You just need to play good postflop.

Just call flop. It's a six way limp pot players arnt going to call raises with k9. People are expecting someone to have a 5. You could raise with A5 and some random bluffs like 67 and 34 suited with the same suits as one of the cards on the flop (6 combos of bluffs to go with 12 combos of value), but why bother? Just never raise here there's no reason to have a raising range.

Easy fold AP.
I agree with it not being a fold pre. 1 dollar to see a flop seems fine with me in a game where people tend to not raise pre unless they have big hands... basically I don’t see bb iso raising pre without a really good hand so we most likely get to see a flop cheap. Also I’m not going to call bets on a qxx board most likely with a horrible kicker.

As played- the non Russian guy said he had kk (not sure about this as it is an odd hand to limp). Russian... no idea but wouldn’t surprise me if he had a 9. The turn was a 9 in the hand and Russian bet a big amount after other guy checked and he got a fold. Not sure what either player actually had but I feel this is a spot to fold based on the odd post flop action. I can’t see someone in the hand having a worse 5 with how the action went after I made a big raise to 45.

If we do call the bet on flop, and turn is 9 how do we proceed? Do we just check fold or check call when Russian makes a huge bet on turn.
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02-17-2019 , 09:08 PM
200 eff and after popping it to 45, I'm never folding in a million years.
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02-17-2019 , 09:52 PM
If you call flop and turn is 9, facing a bet from Russian guy is annoying. I'm never folding to the other guy. I think I do want to fold to the Russian.
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02-17-2019 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
200 eff and after popping it to 45, I'm never folding in a million years.
Yea I forgot the details. I feel if I call flop, we are committed to the hand and folding is bad. Would it be terrible to raise flop bet if 100?
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