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09-28-2017 , 11:56 PM
In live 1/2 no limit, I tend to do what is typically not recommended, limp quite a bit (with prospecting hands) since I'm not likely to face a raise and there will likely be plenty of other limpers who will go too far with their own hands. Get in cheap and hope to get paid off for a small investment.

On the other hand, the table I sit down in is sometimes crazy. I'm not talking just one guy that I can strategically keep seated to my direct right, but several aggressive players. There's plenty of straddling (which often steals my preflop late position) and there's no getting in cheap.

Tables like this basically tighten my range up to such a degree that even the most unaware player notices how little I've played a hand (especially when I go card dead) and that doesn't bode well for a fun game or getting paid off.

I don't see a way out of these spots other than to simply fold A-rag suited, suited connectors, and suited 1-gappers. Often I don't mind calling a raise with a small pair if stacks are deep enough relative to the raise to set mine, but can the stacks ever be deep enough to get good implied odds with these other hands? I could take the initiative but again, how much to open raise when we're still likely to go 3-4 ways to the flop and the straddle keeps me out of late position. Even if I do get a good late position spot to open with a prospecting hand, if there's a fair chance to get 3-bet...I feel as though I'm between a rock and a hard place between probably investing too much into too small of a hand and tightening up to a ludicrous degree.

Could anyone make a suggestion for play at these crazy tables with small holdings?

Last edited by Trey5Suited; 09-29-2017 at 12:22 AM.
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09-29-2017 , 01:44 AM
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I tend to do what is typically not recommended
Don't fold pre.
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09-29-2017 , 02:18 AM
Raise yourself when in position
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09-29-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Tables like this basically tighten my range up to such a degree that . . .[it] doesn't bode well for a fun game or getting paid off.
It depends on what you want to do. If you are looking for a fun game where you can play a lot of hands, then move to another table. If you want to make money, there are things you can do.

Let us know which you want to do.
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09-30-2017 , 12:19 AM
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It depends on what you want to do. If you are looking for a fun game where you can play a lot of hands, then move to another table. If you want to make money, there are things you can do.

Let us know which you want to do.
Don't get me wrong, I'm there to make money, but I simply enjoy playing. For me, the fun is largely in the fact that I can enjoy walking away with more money than I started with. That's fun.

Right off the bat, my playstyle is nitty by anyone's definition in a full ring cash game. The aforementioned table-type doesn't allow me to play at all let alone my typical game where I'm tight, but can use that tight image to occasionally steal, call down that one donkey at the table loosely, get to see cheap flops against opponents who go to far with their hands, or isolate weak tight players and barrel them down. Instead, at these crazy tables I'm just shut down entirely to the point that if I'm not lucky enough to catch strong starting cards that can withstand possible pot commitment on the flop, then my cards can end up in the muck so often that I could be playing as little as once every other rotation. I have no idea whatsoever how to make my own luck in these spots.

In response to the person who said raise with position with my prospecting hands...lets be clear...we're talking about a game where, like last night, I never really had position preflop due to a strategically located donkey who would buy position with his endless straddles (not that it helped him mind you...he was down 3 buy-ins in less than 2 hours), and on top of the lack of position, 2 other aggressive, but more competent players that flanked me at the table were just firing back and forth at each other preflop. So, I never seemd to have the opportunity to take control of the hand. It was always raised in front of me and I knew that I was likely to face a reraise after me. I could have occasionally pre-empted the 3-bet with my tight image and 3-bet myself, but again it's just not my MO to dump an inordinate amount of money into a prospecting hand. If I'm raising pre with a prospecting hand it's typically because I think I can isolate players that I can barrel down...something I could do with any two TBH. That wasn't really the spot I was in at the aforementioned table though.
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09-30-2017 , 01:41 AM
If the table won't let you play the style you want to play I'd suggest a table change. Developing multiple winning styles is hard, recognizing a table that fits your game is much, much easier.
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09-30-2017 , 06:21 AM
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Right off the bat, my playstyle is nitty by anyone's definition in a full ring cash game. The aforementioned table-type doesn't allow me to play at all let alone my typical game where I'm tight.
I don't think so.

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I don't see a way out of these spots other than to simply fold A-rag suited, suited connectors, and suited 1-gappers.
Neither does anyone else at your table. Nits don't play over 20% of hands.

If you are running more into these type of situations, what is happening is that your villains are taking effective counter measures against your style.
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09-30-2017 , 07:37 AM
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what is happening is that your villains are taking effective counter measures against your style.
I gathered that too. Any thoughts on effective adjustments that I can make?
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09-30-2017 , 12:36 PM
It depends on how frequently they are raising you. If they are playing a solid range (15%), then you're going to have to tighten up. However, most low stakes players can't just add a few hands to their raising range. When they do it, they do it a lot. Then, you can start 3betting them to get them to fold.
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