Probable angle - should I have called? - Page 2 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

As to whether he angled or not, I think we have to look at our priors.

Percentage of times people deliberately angle - very small
Percentage of times people are not paying attention and play out of turn accidentally - very high

Given hero's description of villain in his play with him, there's no reason to believe those probabilities would massively change, so I think the default should be to assume mistake rather than ill intent.

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05-14-2019 , 07:26 PM

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AAJTo

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Originally Posted by hitchens97

Results: I was deceptive about the OP title. I did actually call and he showed 77. I didnt think it was an angle but I was also going with this hand regardless because of the amount of times he raised my sb. I ended up stacking him in a $800 pot about an hour later with a river x/r.

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05-14-2019 , 09:04 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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You have not acted, so unless you checked to him, the bet does not stand.

His move is kind of an angle, but only because he read you as weak, decided to see what you would do if he bet out of turn, knowing that he could just fold if you insisted on betting first, and then verified his read when you did not want to call his bet.

his sizing is terrible. it screams flush draw or air. if he has a flush draw his is about a 55/45 fave.

folding is ok. shoving is better as he is going to fold his bluffs and probably call you with his flush draws. so if he has flush draws 60% of the time and air 40% of the time, shoving is ++ EV

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05-14-2019 , 10:08 PM

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Garick

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Pfunk, that $160 was an AI for V.

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05-15-2019 , 12:56 AM

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AAJTo

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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious

The ruling is if I check the bet stands. If I bet he can take it back.

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05-15-2019 , 01:15 AM

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PFunkaliscious

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Originally Posted by AAJTo

The ruling is if I check the bet stands. If I bet he can take it back.

and that is exactly what I just described to you

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05-15-2019 , 02:52 AM

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AAJTo

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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious

and that is exactly what I just described to you

And if anyone is confused by my call looking back on it the dealer took it as accepting his all in even though that was the only action I wasnt allowed to take. Not going to get into it but in terms of floor and the dealers at my casino it is possibly the most badly trained and unprofessional place I have ever played at. Half of the floor people dont even know basic rules.

Me going all in instead of checking and binding his action looks like a way weaker move but if I dont understand whats going on and the dealer is a moron the guy is on a weird kind of freeroll I guess.

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05-15-2019 , 02:54 AM

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krilleater

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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious

His move is kind of an angle, but only because he read you as weak, decided to see what you would do if he bet out of turn, knowing that he could just fold if you insisted on betting first, and then verified his read when you did not want to call his bet.

I don't think it's an angle since he doesn't *gain* anything from it.

If hero had any decent pair, he could just check and force V to put all his chips in. It's not +EV for V.

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05-15-2019 , 06:04 AM

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Blue Eyed Samurai

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Given Hero's description of Villain as someone that likes to gambool and bluff big, I don't think calling off is horrible (two over cards, backdoor straight/flush draws)...but we still just have Ace high. We may have the marginally correct pot odds to call, but why get it in here, when we know there will be better spots to get it in with guys like that?

Guys that like to gambool it up with big bluffs? They always lose all their money. Always.