I've been at the table for a few hours. I've been mostly card dead but have managed to steal a few pots here and there without showdown. Villain in this hand is extremely fishy. I saw him call a $15 raise out of the blinds with K-T offsuit. He likes to limp and then call raises with dominated hands. He hasn't shown any big bluffs but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of them. He did try and bluff an older woman on an A-A-8 flop but shut down when she called the flop. No idea what he bluffed her with.

OTTH. Villain has ~$250, I cover by a little.

Two or three limpers and I make it $15 with KK. Suits don't matter in this hand.

V calls, so does one of the limpers.

Flop ($50): Q-Q-J

V leads for $65. Other limp/caller folds. Hero flats.

I think he could be as wide as J-x offsuit here. I want to keep him in if he's trying to rep a Q, and I don't think there's much of a chance he plays a Q this way. He could also be semi-bluffing with K-T.

Turn ($180): Q-Q-J-7

V leads for $85.

If he's bluffing, he clearly intends to ship the river no matter what. I still don't think he has a Q. Hero calls.

River ($350): Q-Q-J-7-A

That's about the worse card in the deck for me. K-T got there. A-J got there. Any queen already had me beat. The only thing I'm beating is a weak jack and I don't know if he is capable of blasting away with that or not.

V goes all in for about $90 more. Hero thinks for a little bit and decides the price is too good to fold and makes the call.

Thoughts?

I mean if youre really certain that he doesent have Qx i guess i jam the turn, as very few players will triple barrell bluff anyway. That being said i woudnt be surprised if he showed up with Qx or even a boat here. LLSNL villains takes weird buttonclicking lines all the time, also with the nutz.

As played i cant believe youre good enough often enough here with this rivercard, despite the good price.

I don't really have an issue with the river. I think we should consider folding flop or turn, though. Even suspicious LLSNL villains don't usually overbet the pot. Also, you said he shut down previously when bluffing...now, he's instead put in roughly half his remaining chips on the turn, which just has to be a bad sign. I guess I'm okay with flop but would fold this turn.

I fold the river. Maybe the turn. I can't think of many bluffs he can have.

Also the difference is he started betting into 2 players when he wasn't the pf raiser.

Was it a rainbow flop?

Yes it was a rainbow flop.

I'll skip to the results, since everyone is pretty unanimously saying fold at some point. I think I could get behind a turn fold if anything but I just had a feeling he was trying to make push me out.

I called and he showed J-8.

Call flop and Jam turn.
Villain. You described villain as passive and 1 street bluffer at AAX board.
You showed the results, but I would be putting him on J9+ that we beat. That will have a hard time folding.

Don’t see any bluffs.


AP we have to fold River.

If villain is just blasting away with a J, why would I raise to let him know he's beat? Why not let him continue blasting away with virtually no equity?

Let me put it another way. By calling I'm keeping his range wide. If he has a Q then it doesn't matter if I call or jam the turn - all the money is going in. If I just call then he continues with all of his J hands, but if I raise then he only continues with his Q hands. This puts me at a big range disadvantage.

I also think that calling the turn just to fold the river is pretty bad. If I'm considering a fold at any point in the hand, it's going to be on the turn.

If V had instead checked the river, do you check back or ship?

I can see myself putting the rest of it in for value most of the time against this villain.

I think the flop is where you make your decision. You know Villain can bluff, but will he bluff by overbetting? Or (as results showed) will he just overbet to protect Jx and then keep betting because he doesn't know what else to do? You describe Villain as fishy, so you can't rule this out.

Once you call the flop, I don't think you can fold at any later point--even with the ace on the river. The ace helps some of his hands but not even close to all of them. Nice hand.

Imagine playing this hand without any reads. Would it change your line at all and your river decision? Thanks!

(AP nice call!)

I like the calldown. Villain is described as really fishy, over valuing J with weak kicker is totally within his range here. A fish is more likely to fancy play Qx than bet it out and won't really be creative with KT imo.

But I did see the results now so maybe I'm jumping on the call bandwagon. I just so rarely see bad players fastplaying trips on the flop.

Folding getting almost 5 to 1 on river is mubs.