$200NL
Vil1 laggy older dude probably roughly 20/15/8 (100bb)
Vil 2 less aggressive, tighter old dude (200bb) call him 17/10/3
Vil 3 fishy old dude, won big in another game in town and is a little drunk, playing very lag, through 3 orbits roughly 65/40/20 (100bb)

7 handed
Utg folds
Vil1 Utg +1 raises to $13
Vil 2 calls
Vil 3 Cutoff reraises to $40
Button folds
Hero in SB 10h10d covers all and ?????

Thought a lot about the possibilities w this one, and the more I thought the less I knew. I think there must be a pretty clear cut most profitable standard to be found here w poker stove and considering fold equity vs reverse implied odds, but didn't really know how to go about finding it.

If V3 really is playing 60/40/20 then he's 3betting 20% of hands and you are miles ahead of that. You also can't fold to him at any point in the hand pretty much. But almost all flops are going to suck, and going to have overs on them. I'd just go ahead and commit now. 4bet to $100 and call it off if he shoves. Plan to shove almost every flop.

This is pretty reliant on your own description of him though. If he's not 3betting 20% of hands, then we could be value owning our self by putting in another bet.

he's 3betting all pairs 22-AA and all unpaired broadways, including hands like KTo? Cause that's 20%. That's pretty crazy.

Tough spot, because if you play this hand, a decent V1 will be ok taking a flip w/ AK or maybe even AQ, knowing lagtard might go with dominated hands too. Because of that, if you 4bet and V1 decides to go with it, his range gets dragged down to hands you're beating.

If he wasn't in the pot, things would be easier. As it is, I feel like we'll either get crushed by either guy with hands that beat us, or we'll be flipping. I'm going to let this one go and stay out of the high variance spot. That's more my style/personality than anything, I could see riding the variance train here also.

If you could 'be sure' that the other 2 will come along without raising then I would consider flatting here but this looks like a 4-bet/fold situation.

I would think there are better spots for you at this table than what this hand is shaping up to be. It would be nice for V1 to have more chips to get into a side pot with. If V2 shoves or flat and then shows interest in the Flop then you know you are in trouble somehow unless you hit a set ... and then I would worry about a Q or J on the board for his set. GL

+1

I'd fold unless I felt like gambling. V just isn't deep enough for many plays and I don't want to flip with a fish.

What? Why not?
Fish will give the money back if they hit.

Would you rather flip with a reg? With a solid abc rec player? With nit who won't give us action later?

I'd much rather flip with a fish than anyone else.

You are only 60% against a 20% 3bet range. Folding is fine mainly cause you still have to worry about the other villains. Assuming first two villains always fold and villain 3 always shoves pre, folding TT here is basically giving up 20bb long term in profit

But I would either 4bet to $80 if I think the other villains will only 5bet JJ+ and get it in against villain 3 on any flop. Or I would 4bet to $110 and get it in against any villain if AK is in their range

20/15 really isn't that LAG pf. (Is the 3rd number 3bet%?)

Shoving is clearly +EV here if those stats are accurate. Even in the near worse case scenario where they're calling JJ+/AK and folding everything else, it's still significantly +EV. We get folds ~68% of the time and win $65, and the other ~32% of the time we pay $200 for 1/3 equity in a ~$420 pot, so roughly -$60, giving the shove an EV of +$25. (I'm lumping the 2-caller case in with the 1-caller case for simplicity; it shouldn't make a huge difference.)

Granted this is based on those particular stats. If V3's 3b range or V1's utg raising range is something like TT+/AQ+, then shoving here is spewtastic.

Does anybody opt for flatting the 3-bet and open bombing/shove any flop if goes HU?

I don't want to flip with a fish because I can get it in with a fish when he is drawing dead, or had 5% equity, or 33%.

This is why I don't want to flip with a fish, you are playing their game, gambol and win half the time. I play poker to "gamble" and win much greater than 50% of the time.

I would rather push a likely flip situation against a regular or ABC because the fold equity gives me a much bigger edge. I no like to push when I know I get called in a 50/50 spot!

If we could ensure that we'd be heads up with the LAG then I'm all for getting it in but I'd expect V1 and V2's respective ranges to be more narrow than usual with V3 behind them and jacking it up every second hand. I think there's a decent chance that the tighter old guy smoothed with a monster, expecting this to happen.

All in all I'd muck.

Lots of good stuff here.
Didn't really think about it; but yeah don't really mind doubling Vil1 or Vil3 here because I still cover them after the hand and they were both pretty terrible, Vil2 puts my $$ in the vault; but I do think that his range is skewed much tighter with the flat call. Vil2 I also don't have a problem w a 4-bet fold as I'm about as close to 100% sure as I can be that he never 5-bet shoves without AA KK.
As played (and stack sizes were just a little bit smaller, Vil 1 ~85BB, Vil 3 ~90BB) I 4-bet to $85 and plan on never folding against Vil3 preflop, and jamming all flops except for like AKx, which I check/call. Never fold post flop on any board to him short of him exposing a higher pair.
Vil1 ends up snap-jamming for whatever, $165 total,
Vil2 folds
Vil3 folds (shows AKo after action completion)

I figure Vil 1 for most AK and JJ+
Against all AK suited and JJ+ I am 23%

Pot $165+$13+$40+$85=$303
$80 to call , I end up calling figuring to probably lose a little on it; but to be able to sleep at night.
Vil1 shows Qc Qd, board runs dry.

The other thing that crossed my mind today was in a similar circumstance if TT is profitable in this spot, shouldn't 22+ be profitable as well so long as my opponents range stays confined to AK/JJ+? Anyway fun hand. Obv, Vil3's obnoxious aggression presents tons of profitable spots; but in the race to get his money wanted to make sure I had the best chance. Note also that his 20% 3-bet was pretty accurate, and yes K10o, 22+, probably lots of suited and non-suited connectors in his 3-bet range at this point.

i would flat pre if the original v is atypical old donk who would vener 4be without aa

if hes aggro and notining the v's agressiveness i fold

all in all i would just live to see a flop IP