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04-28-2014 , 11:56 PM
I was in involved in a hand last night, I'm more curious about the math behind the situation.

$1/2 Local casino
hero(200$)
Villain bb ($32) I have seen this guy plenty of times at local casinos. I don't play very much and I have seen him quite often. Doubt he recognizes me at all. He does the same thing every time I see him play, buy in for $50 and will raise preflop light. He will go all in pre if short or raise to an amount committing him on any flop.

hero 66

hj limps, hero limps, dealer limps, small blind limps. villain in the bb shoves, looked like dealer was going to fold and didn't think small blind would call. mp folded. My questions are did I have the right price to make this call profitable? If I felt like I was flipping so often should I call there? Should I be flipping with my stack size?

pot before shove ($9) casino takes small blind
pot after shove ($41)

I need to call $32 to win 73 so 32/73= .438
So does that mean I need better than 44% equity vs villains range in this situation?

I plugged in what I perceived his range to be giving him a narrower range than he probably has. 15.8% of hands, it shows me as a slight dog. If I did any of this wrong please correct me.
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04-29-2014 , 12:28 AM
Yes, you figured that correctly. You need 43.8% equity to break even on calling. Only you can range V, but I estimated based on your description that his range is something like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A6o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo. If that range sounds right you have 51% equity, and can profitably call.
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04-29-2014 , 12:32 AM
Great! Thanks for the response. Should I be flipping with my stack size in that situation? 17% of stack?
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04-29-2014 , 12:36 AM
Minor nitpick:

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Originally Posted by sleveneleven
I need to call $32 to win 73 so 32/73= .438
So does that mean I need better than 44% equity vs villains range in this situation?
You're calling 32 to win 41, i.e. you are getting 41:32 odds. That means you did compute your break-even equity correctly (that is 32/73). The pot after you call will be 73, but only 41 of it is not yours when you make this decision.

EDIT: In a cash game, the percentage of your stack that you are flipping for is irrelevant. You can always reload if you lose.
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04-29-2014 , 12:47 AM
Yeah, Vernon makes a good point. You can figure your odds by ratio (x-to-y) or by percent, but crossing the streams is likely to get you confused. I prefer percents, but either one is fine.

Basically you should be saying either "I am getting 32-to-41 odds" (and then simplify that), or "my $32 will represent 43.8% of the $73 pot, so I need to have at least 43.8% equity." I find the second much easier, as poker stove and such programs give equity in percents, so I don't have to convert from one notation to another.

Last edited by Garick; 04-29-2014 at 01:04 AM. Reason: auto-correct
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04-29-2014 , 12:54 AM
Great advice, much appreciated. So is this almost a standard call in this situation? I have a decent amount of info on his range.
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04-29-2014 , 12:57 AM
Thanks Vernon and Garrick that is a much easier way to calculate equity and pot odds on the fly.
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04-29-2014 , 01:02 AM
Garick is 100% right--only you can range the villain. But let me give you an idea:

If Villain only makes this shove with AA-77, you have about 19% equity.

Let's say Villain makes this shove with AA-77, but add in AK/AQ/AJ/AT/KQ/KJ. Now you're up to about 42%, which means calling is a small mistake.

If we add in only 2 more hands--KT and A9--you are at 44.15% equity and can make the call profitably.

If you think the Villain is raising wider than this, you have a clear call.
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04-29-2014 , 06:35 PM
Yeah I think it's a fairly easy call with 66 in this spot.
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05-01-2014 , 02:06 PM
im folding.
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05-01-2014 , 02:07 PM
his range is probably like 55+ and A8+
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05-01-2014 , 02:19 PM
Its all about the villains ranging of course. What is light for him?

If light means any hand that looks pretty like....

22+,A7s+,K9s+,QTs+,AJo+,KJo+

Then we still have 48% equity and thus an easy call.

Be careful only to expand the shove range to hands that you have seen. (the outer limits) IOW, dont include KTo just because you have seen KQo.
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05-02-2014 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohlongjohnson
im folding.
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Originally Posted by Ohlongjohnson
his range is probably like 55+ and A8+
Does not compute. We are 44.174% against that range, so if you believe that to be his range, this is a thin, but clear, call.
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