At 5/10 live yesterday full ring...hero in late position limp with K9dd, villain limps, button raises to $60...one caller, hero calls, villain pops to $300...folds around to hero. $240 to call, ~$255 in pot.

Bet is 2-1, unless villain has AA or KK (unlikely) I'm about 2-1. Figures he could be protecting with 88 or worse, AQ - A10, etc.

Hero flats...naturally flop comes 993, check bet, check-all-in-snap call, blank.

I know that this was not an optimal play, but I want to know if it can be justified. A lot of board textures that hero can check raise on flop.

First post, would really appreciate some thoughts.

Thanks - CT


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What were stack sizes preflop?

Is button raise to $60 normal in this game?

Why do you discount AA/KK but put him on 88 or worse here? Also think what does villain put you on here after you limp, call raise, call 3 bet(reraise) all OOP?

Sorry sir, but this is a easy fold, you need miracle flop OOP to win here(congrats tho)

Preflop call odds decision is not based on where you are at odds wise at the moment you called, but on stack sizes and implied odds

Stacks were about 200BB, $60 was very common in the game, average about 5-6 players a flop...very loose.

Villain had been at the table for about 15 hours and was stuck. I discount AA and KK because a limp UTG from his is not consistent with his play.

Definitely not a sustainable strategy, but I was stuck about $1K and about to leave in 10 minutes lol.


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Of course you can mix 3B calls into your game with virtually any hand you raise with...but yeah mathematically you make a -EV call here vs. any competent player's range. per your own ranging, you gave him like 66-AA, AT-AK, and maybe KQs. Run the equity math of Kd9d vs that. Not really 33%. There isn't one hand above 50% equity in his range.

For every flop you smash w/ 2P+, ~8X more likely you'll flop 0-1 pair. Even some of the flops you smash, you can be drawing slim/dead (QJT). Hand has a ton of RIO vs bigger kings particularly.

So here's the key - your hand is never going to win enough to make this call profitably -- To mix this into your game, you will need to fold villain off of some of his range some % of the time postflop. I don't love the call w/ this hand specifically Bc of the RIO and being out of position, but if you're confident you can pick the right spots to c/r bluff some flops/turns and not stack off when you flop marginally, go for it (not always, mix in folds and calls). As it played out, looks like V was playing for stacks by the turn when you're 200bbs deep without a raise...think about that as well. You have to bluff this V off his hand with exactly a C/R jam on the flop ( fairly weak line) or lead out flop / jam turn if he calls (if he doesn't raise you on the flop, in which case you won't have the chips to rebluff). To bluff V it will take risking to all 200bbs imo. So you are calling $240 to hit 2pair or find a flop you're comfortable bluffing $1700 to win $700. I think that's a fold.

Yeah 200BB deep this is still a fold. You need to flop big to win here (2pair or better). This will happen ~4.5% of the time (per Flopzilla) with K9s and calling 240 more (24BB) doesn't give you odds, especially OOP.

if villain is wild (as in would raise any 2 card), BTN is raising liberally and hero is a strong postflop player calling might barely be justifiable

also if we are first to act and playing this hand, raising is much better than limping