Live 1/2

I 4bet AA most of times and this is a situation that I'm thinking maybe flatting is also an option.

V (900):　Old man and quite aggressive. I have been playing with him for 2 hours. He almost always raise to 12-18 in CO/Btn if limped/folded to him.
He is quite tight in EP. He seems to be competent to me.

H(450): 25-year-old asian. My image should be very laggy. More laggy than I am usually. Almost every one except V on this table is not good and play tight and passive and more like fit or fold type. So I opened wider than I usually do, esp in LP.

In about one orbit ago, V opened 15 in CO, and button called. Hero 3bet with JJ from BB to 50 and V called. Flop comes KQTr. Hero C-bet 50 and V instantly mucked.

Here is the hand.
Hero has raised two hands in a row before this hand.

Hero has AA.

Hero opened 10 from MP. And a tight-passive player called on BTN. V 3bet to 45 from BB. Back to Hero, now what?

You're 225BB deep, if you want to get stacks in with this hand you need to 4bet. Especially considering your image is loose if V has been paying attention.

With your laggy image there is definitely value in just flatting. I don't think he's in any mood to fold if he catches top or middle pair or any kind of draw. You probably could get value on 3 streets. Then again you could just pop it to 125 and if he has kk qq or ak he prob ships it against your loose aggressive range. What's your read? If you think he's strong I say pop it, if not just flat. I say if you flat and c bet half pot you take it down 90% of the time. If you think you've truly tilted him in previous pots though I say raise?

My read is that he might be light 3bet cuz I opened too much. This is also his first 3bet and I have not 4bet yet.

If it's his first 3 bet i think his range is slightly stronger. Maybe 99 1010 jj ak aq type hands so I say pop it. 45 is fairly large raise he is probably trying to isolate heads up with a decent hand, but I think he makes it 35 or 40 with kk or qq. So with that info definitely raise imo. Old guys hate to fold medium pocket pairs but generally do not play them well post flop. There's a reason he's playing 1/2 at his age.

4 bet to 110. It's one thing if we've got a tight image but this is a dream scenario. Let's build a pot.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

the biggest problem with failing to 4bet is that people play so scared in 3bet pots that they'll probably just check it to you and give up postflop thinking you hit your set 100% of the time. However if you 4bet, despite the obviously scary nature of it, they'll hem and haw and continue to look down at their QJs or AQo and talk themselves into calling, either because they think they stand a good chance of hitting, or because they just dont get dealt those hands often enough to keep folding them. It doesnt matter if your 4bet is only AA/KK, they just cant let their hands go.

I would entertain flatting but seems like most factors suggest 4-betting. I'd make it $100 now, bet $125 on turn and shove turn for $225 into $450 on most run outs. Factors I consider:

1. Our image is laggy so more likely to get looked up light.
2. Villain is in EP and our read is that he's tight early. So his range is stronger on average and more likely to be able to call.
3. V hasn't 3 bet in the 2 hours we've played with him so expect a tight range.
4. We have position on V which is in favor of flatting.
5. Button is still in hand and he has position and may call if we just call. Makes me want to 4-bet.

Bulk of factors lean towards 4-betting and I think 3 is by far most important.

Way to contribute to the thread. I followed it up with an explanation. I can't stand people who come in with one liners for the sole purpose of trying to make themselves look smart. Care to elaborate why it makes NO sense whatsoever? Let's hear your take on the situation genius? Say he pops it to 110-125 and villain folds, where as he may have been able to get 3 streets of value. Maybe 50 onf 90 ont and possibly double up onr thanks to his laggy style= value

There's no reason to believe someone's first c-bet in 2 hours is light. It's unlikely that he chose this exact moment to play back at you

But after more info from op I did say I thought a 4bet was his best option

Lol wut.

Why would you want to take a passive line when we have the nuts and a laggy image? Isn't part of the value of being loose and aggressive is to get less credit when we are strong?

Yeah def 4! Here. We've cultivated the image and recent history here to make 4! Superior.

You don't have to pot it as it Doesn't have to be huge to get stacks in on the turn.... I'd Go something like 4! 110. 125 flop ship turn.

4! $95-$120.

I think if we 4 bet closer to pot we can just get our stacks in on the flop

Easy 4! for the reasons MIB already laid out earlier. I'd weight the position argument slightly more than the first time 3!ing argument as the only difference.

I understood ya, bud.

Never ever flatting in this spot; you are too deep to flat. 4! to $115. If stacks were short, then flatting in position would be fine.

Edit. There is also another player in the hand. Tight passive button would be closing the action by calling $35. We need to deny him correct set-mining odds. Gotta put in the 4!.

There really shouldn't be much discussion. Flatting is inferior to 4 betting.

This, with stacks this deep and ur image. I'm 4betting to $100.

The question isn't whether to 4! or flat, it's "what is the maximum a LAGgy image player can raise and still get called"

Honestly think you could probably go 160ish so it looks more "stealy" rather than value

If V was super nitty and his 3-bet range consisted of QQ/AK+ I think flatting is better as we can play perfectly post-flop and often stack him by letting him value-pwn himself.

Against a competent laggy thinking player, a 4-bet is mandatory. His range is too wide and since he is a thinking player, he can easily level himself into calling or 5-bet shove if he's near the top of his range (i.e. KK).

$115 then bet any flop and shove any turn.