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01-20-2018 , 01:32 PM

sixsevenoff

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1/2 NL. 9 handed. First hand of session.

Hero ($200, UTG): TAG image.

Villain ($200, MP1): LAG. Plays flops pretty well. Raises pre flop 50% of the time, plays in about 75% of hands. Villain 3 bets occasionally, but not very often. Biggest problem with villain is hands rarely go to showdown with him, so I don't get to see a large chunk of the hands he plays.

OTTH

Hero wakes up to A

UTG and opens to $8. Action is folded around to Villain who says "let's get this party started" and 3! to $25. Action is folded around to hero. Hero?

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01-20-2018 , 01:57 PM

NutJob72

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

Preflop 3-bet 1/2 NL, first hand of session

UTG and opens to $8. Action is folded around to Villain who says "let's get this party started" and 3! to $25. Action is folded around to hero. Hero?

4!/call to 100$. Jam most flops. Not folding any flop. Easy game.

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01-20-2018 , 02:00 PM

Scooo13zzz

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was this hand at parx casino PA??

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01-20-2018 , 02:34 PM

QuadJ

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Given stack sizes and being OOP your options are basically 4 bet/call a shove or fold now. Which is better depends entirely on the range you give villain.

The break even point is right around AK, AQ, TT+ which is around a 5% range. Look at how often he is 3 betting, decide if he has any 3 bet bluffs or light 3 bets and make your decision.

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01-20-2018 , 02:38 PM

Garick

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

All of this.

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01-20-2018 , 02:40 PM

twitcherroo

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I think 4b is spot on, I'd probably go $85 or so and, like others said, probably AI on any flop unless I flop too huge.

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01-20-2018 , 02:48 PM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz

was this hand at parx casino PA??

Card room in Metro Detroit

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01-20-2018 , 02:49 PM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

I would say he definitely has light 3 bets in his range. He definitely does perceive me as a tight opponent, so I wonder if he was 3! because he knew I was strong and wanted to GII or if he perceived my raise as weak and was trying to take the pot down.

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01-20-2018 , 02:58 PM

Starpoker

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You statted this guy at 75/50/~5(based on description), but then later on said he can 3b light. I would say this guy is more a maniac than a LAG. If he has any light 3b's, i'm blasting this all day long. If he didn't have light 3b's and was really like JJ+/AQ here, then I would say it depends how he plays post on whether you flat or 4b.

Final thoughts: 4b! to 85-100, jam all flops that you don't have the nuts on, slowplay those.

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01-20-2018 , 03:03 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by Starpoker

Light 3 bets in his range, but not something that he'd do very often. He's actually a pretty tricky opponent that appears to have an unlimited bankroll. I would definitely not classify him as a maniac due to the fact that he plays post flop really well.

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01-20-2018 , 04:05 PM

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Dubey

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Originally Posted by QuadJ

you think folding is better than flatting an extra $17 here? Interesting.

I definitely 4b here almost every time, but I would have estimated that folding is the worst possible option here.

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01-20-2018 , 04:29 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

1/2 NL. 9 handed. First hand of session.

Hero ($200, UTG): TAG image.

What does this even mean? You have a menacing grinder presence?

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01-20-2018 , 04:33 PM

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NutJob72

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

What does this even mean? You have a menacing grinder presence?

Lmfao

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01-20-2018 , 04:35 PM

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NutJob72

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Maybe he's wearing a sweet poker hoodie and beats headphones. Or maybe he's got a wsop bracelet and circuit rings on every finger. Ha!

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01-20-2018 , 04:44 PM

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Garick

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It sounds to me as though hero and V have history, and the image and reads are based on that, not on the 30 seconds of sitting down at the table.

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01-20-2018 , 05:31 PM

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samo

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4 bbs raises from UTG are perceived my many, including decent regs, as weak. Sizing set the trap, now pounce. $80/call.

Warning: If u do R/R, gii, lose and tilt, then just call.

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01-20-2018 , 06:20 PM

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NutJob72

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Originally Posted by samo

4 bbs raises from UTG are perceived my many, including decent regs, as weak. Sizing set the trap, now pounce. $80/call.

Warning: If u do R/R, gii, lose and tilt, then just call.

I agree. I frequently attack 3 and 4x opens with 3! Especially after a caller or two. Unless it's a V I know sizes smaller with their whole range or if I think villains are adjusting because I've been 3!ing at a higher frequency and it's getting obvious I'm doing it light.

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01-20-2018 , 06:30 PM

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NutJob72

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Originally Posted by Dubey

you think folding is better than flatting an extra $17 here? Interesting.

I definitely 4b here almost every time, but I would have estimated that folding is the worst possible option here.

Yeah never folding here unless I feel like lighting money on fire. In which case I would be playing craps not poker.

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01-20-2018 , 08:20 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by NutJob72

Maybe he's wearing a sweet poker hoodie and beats headphones. Or maybe he's got a wsop bracelet and circuit rings on every finger. Ha!

I tried to laugh and failed. Villain and I play against each other at least once a week.

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01-20-2018 , 08:22 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by samo

4 bbs raises from UTG are perceived my many, including decent regs, as weak. Sizing set the trap, now pounce. $80/call.

Warning: If u do R/R, gii, lose and tilt, then just call.

I was advised by Jonathan Little's book on the raise sizing. It appears Little's raise sizing is pretty polarized by 2+2. Maybe I should change my raise sizing going forward.

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01-21-2018 , 12:25 AM

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Nogyong

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Originally Posted by samo

4 bbs raises from UTG are perceived my many, including decent regs, as weak. Sizing set the trap, now pounce. $80/call.

Warning: If u do R/R, gii, lose and tilt, then just call.

Mainly this.

And take our advice over Jonathan Little for raise sizes in 1/2 live.

The comments, "lets get this party started worry me a little bit" but our hand only has bad equity against AA/KK and villain could easily be doing this with AT+.

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01-21-2018 , 10:00 AM

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samo

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I was advised by Jonathan Little's book on the raise sizing. It appears Little's raise sizing is pretty polarized by 2+2. Maybe I should change my raise sizing going forward.

I haven't read his book but I know other authors like Miller and Harrington generally concur. 4 bbs raises from EP are seen more frequently in $2/$5 NL, and at $5/T NL (I have not played the latter stakes).

Depends on the player pool ofc, nonetheless in my $1/$2 NL history I have found that players are willing to call much more pre, so grab that extra value. Additionally, raising from EP can cause a domino effect, i.e. a couple of callers will "price-in" even more callers.

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01-21-2018 , 10:49 AM

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Garick

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Lets take the 1/2NL pre-flop raise sizing discussion to its dedicated thread, please.

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01-21-2018 , 11:26 AM

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samo

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Originally Posted by Garick

Lets take the 1/2NL pre-flop raise sizing discussion to its dedicated thread, please.

Sorry G, didn't intend to derail.

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01-21-2018 , 02:01 PM

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twitcherroo

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I have no problem GII in here a/ AKs, particularly against a wide villain (probably a +EV spot) and particularly as it's my 1st hand at the table. I'd force the action and say something fishy. If we realize our edge that we've doubled up. If we lose the hand, muck without showing and the table will assume you're a reckless fish with should add $$ to you over the rest of the session. If you're worried about losing the 100bb's then find a smaller game or larger roll. NH.

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