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04-20-2017 , 02:17 PM
1/2 club game

V1 (100) - Loose passive, ATC call station. One of the spots in this game.
V2 (500) - Decent, tight player. MUBSY and does not want to get stacks in on a flip. Earlier this evening folded QcQs on a 852dd board when H made a big overbet shove on the flop. About $200 in pot pre, V2 as PFR c-bet for $75, folded to H who shoved for about 600 effective with Ad4d. V2 tanked and folded face up, H didn't show.
V3 (200) - ATC calling station. The other spot in this game.
V4 (250) - TAGgish Asian 30 year old
H (covers) - Aggressive reg in this game. Should have a winning image.

Straddle UTG 5 UTG. V1 calls. H raises to $30 from MP with AhKh (sized a bit bigger than normal in a straddled pot because V1 is playing anything. V2 calls, V3 calls, V4 calls, V1 shoves. While V1 is loose passive, he will shove with ATC at some point pre-flop if he feels committed. What does H do? Is this just a standard shove for H to isolate and maybe get called by worse (especially by V3)? Hard for anyone to have AA or KK here given they called a raise pre and I have blockers.
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04-20-2017 , 04:03 PM
There is really only one consideration here. What is the risk V1 limp/shoved with AA/KK? If that isn't a concern then shove. If it is something you need to worry about what worse hands does he have in his limp/shove range?

Pots odds are so good that I'm mostly shoving. I would have to pin his range at AA/KK and nothing else to fold. With those odds I'll gladly take coin flips. Heck, your odds are so good you are not doing that bad against KK.
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04-20-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
There is really only one consideration here. What is the risk V1 limp/shoved with AA/KK? If that isn't a concern then shove. If it is something you need to worry about what worse hands does he have in his limp/shove range?

Pots odds are so good that I'm mostly shoving. I would have to pin his range at AA/KK and nothing else to fold. With those odds I'll gladly take coin flips. Heck, your odds are so good you are not doing that bad against KK.
Isn't V1 too short to even worry about this? In any event I think he's much wider than just AA/KK here, this is not a typical limp shover. What happens is he's calling ATC, and realizes he's super short so may as well shove.
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04-20-2017 , 04:29 PM
Shove.

If V1 could show you his KK+ you'd still be ~breakeven at 23% assuming others fold. He has more hands of course. The others are of little concern at this depth.

P.S. Thanks for life tilting me by leaving out the closing parenthesis in your second paragraph.
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04-20-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Shove.

If V1 could show you his KK+ you'd still be ~breakeven at 23% assuming others fold. He has more hands of course. The others are of little concern at this depth.

P.S. Thanks for life tilting me by leaving out the closing parenthesis in your second paragraph.
+1 Your only real concern is if V2 shoves as well but that is unlikely given the situation. If V3 or V4 come along, you are ahead or flipping. Good chance you have a significant lead against them.
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04-20-2017 , 11:39 PM
Easy shove.
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04-21-2017 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
P.S. Thanks for life tilting me by leaving out the closing parenthesis in your second paragraph.
+1 lol
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04-22-2017 , 11:47 AM
Results:

I jam. V2 folds, says he had TT. V3 call and V4 call. V4 wins with 88, V3 says he had 44. V1 didn't show but suggested he was way behind.

In doing the math think I had about 33% of the equity here so shoving worked out, and if I'm getting called by 44 and 88 may be getting calls from dominated aces. That said I'm sometimes worried I'm too aggressive in these spots facing capped ranges
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04-22-2017 , 12:10 PM
Easiest shove you'll see all day.


Also remember that parentheses belong inside punctuation for when you do include them.
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