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09-14-2010 , 05:29 AM

ianzxcvbnm

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Hey guys,

Lets say its 9 handed, whats you limping range in early to mid position? I know this is somewhat game flop dependent, but whats your standard?

Mine right now is

limping - sc/suited 1 gappers/Axs/A9o-ATo/K8s-KJs/KTo-KJo/Q9s-QJs/QTo-QJo/J8s-JTs/22-99

Is this too loose?

Thanks

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09-14-2010 , 05:33 AM

DamienT

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0%. Either fold or raise.

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09-14-2010 , 05:57 AM

Artemis Apollo

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Meh I raise almost everything I play EP but if I do limp it'd be a small pair, a hand I would limp/raise, or like Kxs 46s and so on. I would NOT limp A9 AT or KJ KT, or other "top pair" hands though. Those hands play far better headsup or 3way. Just fold if you don't want to play them.

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09-14-2010 , 06:00 AM

DamienT

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You can limp PPs if players are at least 100bb deep and ******ed.

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09-14-2010 , 07:21 AM

Artemis Apollo

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Nobody will put you on a set simply because you limped since live players are indeed ******ed. If your choice with a low pocket pair is calling or folding, then calling is much better. You want to call if you want to play a hand but there are short stacks that may squeeze shove or isolate and deny odds for you to setmine, so you limp.

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09-14-2010 , 07:45 AM

ianzxcvbnm

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interesting, online i never limp but i wasnt sure if it was +ev in live games when it seems like its easy to get a cheap flop.

but yeah the fundamentals of position are the same. Im guessing its ok to limp in later positions with A9o etc or is it again best to isolate?

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09-14-2010 , 07:59 AM

KKcracked

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I'd only limp in EP if it's an extremely passive table where I'm unlikely to be raised. And my range would be hands that can draw to a strong hand - PPs, SCs, suited Aces etc.
Definitely don't limp A9, KT etc that's going to be easily dominated.

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09-14-2010 , 09:52 AM

DamienT

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Originally Posted by ianzxcvbnm

interesting, online i never limp but i wasnt sure if it was +ev in live games when it seems like its easy to get a cheap flop.

In live game, it's usually expansive to see a flop. 10bb+ open raise are standard..

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09-14-2010 , 10:03 AM

ChristianT

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I'd just minraise with a low pp in ep. No one will dare raise you but everyone will call and you can snap off a couple stacks when you spike. Ez game. Ax hands can obv. be ditched, they play so bad. FR I even fold AJ utg sometimes.

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09-14-2010 , 10:06 AM

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DamienT

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ChristianT, Heya bro !

Opening AJo utg at an online fullring tables is most of the time a mistake. Nevertheless I don't think I could fold it at a live table..

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09-14-2010 , 01:51 PM

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Artemis Apollo

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Can't fold suited aces since you will "cooler" often enough to make up for it.

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09-14-2010 , 01:54 PM

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DeeKay

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Originally Posted by KKcracked

This.

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09-14-2010 , 03:48 PM

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Nogyong

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Spend some time watching the table. Consider the stack sizes, the table dynamic and your own style.

Decide on a range you think will be optimal for the situation.

This could include e.g.:

- no limping
- only limping AA, KK
- ony limping JJ, AJs
- limping all small and medium pairs, suited connectors, suited gap connectors, suited aces, KQ, AJ

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09-14-2010 , 03:57 PM

#14

Nogyong

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Originally Posted by ianzxcvbnm

Mine right now is

limping - sc/suited 1 gappers/Axs/A9o-ATo/K8s-KJs/KTo-KJo/Q9s-QJs/QTo-QJo/J8s-JTs/22-99

Is this too loose?

Yes, this sounds too loose for a standard low stakes live cash game but of course the person at the table is the best person to judge.

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09-14-2010 , 04:03 PM

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Mr.JR

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Way too loose unless you are at a very passive preflop table where their are hardly any raises and all the stacks are deep. Other wise you are just tossing $ away limping in with A9o, K8s, QTo, etc...

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09-15-2010 , 01:12 AM

#16

8o8

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i limp ATC from EP. makes you so unpredictable

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09-15-2010 , 01:45 AM

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cAmmAndo

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You have to be bleeding $$$$ playing more thn 25% of hands dealt in EP. Are you limp calling with these hands or just limp fold donating?

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09-15-2010 , 05:03 AM

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Artemis Apollo

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I never limp to fold, but limping avoids getting you 3bet off your hand when you want to see a flop and can stack deep fish who are 3betting all sorts of junk. If you raise some hands and get 3bet you have to fold and that's awful since your hand is +EV (or I hope it does) if you want to play it.

Oh, and you're playing wrongly if you can't play a SICK wide range preflop at live games. VS good players you have to tighten up but vs weak ones, there is SO much value to play suited gappers.

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09-15-2010 , 12:23 PM

#19

8o8

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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo

You have to be bleeding $$$$ playing more thn 25% of hands dealt in EP. Are you limp calling with these hands or just limp fold donating?

i was kidding...

i dont limp much in EP anymore

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09-15-2010 , 01:01 PM

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cAmmAndo

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Oh, and you're playing wrongly if you can't play a SICK wide range preflop at live games. VS good players you have to tighten up but vs weak ones, there is SO much value to play suited gappers.

I love playing these hands but barring a specific situation (fish in the blinds for example) I opt to play them mostly in later positions.

Small PPs and suided aces can almost always be limped in these games but against better players it is really playing face up when you limp/call then get involved in a big pot.

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i was kidding... i dont limp much in EP anymore

I know I was referring to the ranges in the OP.

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09-15-2010 , 01:16 PM

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gus1112

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in standard LP 2/5 game I play I limp the following in EP:

Suited Aces
Pocket pairs below 10s

that is all

occasionally i limp reraise pairs greater than 10s

i used to limp suited connex and gappers but its simply too hard to make money playing these up front

love limping suited aces and dominating worse flushes

ill limp call suited aces if villian is bad and deep... same with small pockets

v needs 10x the raise for me and also needs to be bad

ill sometimes baby raise pockets up front to maybe 3x bb

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07-20-2013 , 11:22 PM

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slimshady1999

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Ill limp aj+,kq+,22+, and suited aces and suited broadways from early and middle position at loose passive tables. Ill raise aq+, 1010+ and sometimes kq,aj, and 99. All other hands should be folded

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07-21-2013 , 12:36 AM

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spikeraw22

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Id say limping suited connectors and Axs in ep is a leak. You just don't hit enough to be profitable. Once you reach MP territory, you need to start thinking about raising instead of limping. Limping in is generally not a good strategy unless you're in lp with 20 limpers ahead.

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07-21-2013 , 05:49 AM

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Nash_equilibria

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+1. I have close to zero open-limping range. I either open-raise or open-fold.

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Originally Posted by DamienT

0%. Either fold or raise.

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