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05-27-2016 , 01:51 PM
The 1/3 game has a $100 min and $300 max BI
The 2/5 game has a $200 min and $1000 max BI

Common raises at 1/3 are $12-$15. Sometimes with additional BBx per limper(s), sometimes not. Should I assume $20-$25 is the going rate at $2-$5?

Longtime lurker. Have built a roll playing the 1/3 up to 11.5k after starting at 1k @ about 30 BB/hr. Was considering sitting down at a 2/5 table once to get my feet wet since the player pool overlaps a good deal and some fishes swim in both waters but I don't want to sit down unprepared. Suppose this is where I note that, with exceptions, $20-$25 is already my standard raise at 1/3.

Only biggish bluffs I've had to show are semibluffs that didn't get there or semibluffs that did or A high bluffcatchers, which has put some measure of weight behind my 3-bets and c-bets, which I can then exploit when prudent. Start every hand asking myself if "fold-pre" would be the after-the-fact advice. Some think I'm tight, some think I'm loose-ish and lucky, but pot/implied odds are a thing and if you're paying attention, I'm only loose-ish with position or a weak table. From what I can tell, just keep playing like this @ 2/5, but keep the loose-ish away until comfortable?
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05-27-2016 , 02:10 PM
30 bb/hr at 1/3 NL?!?! Wowzers. Sample size?

Gmyevenmoveupatthatrate?G
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05-27-2016 , 02:12 PM
It just depends on the local conditions. In a lot of 2/5 games, $15-20 is the standard. In others it's $25-30.

TBQH, the 200BB max BI is going to make much more difference in the game than the slightly larger blinds. For two reasons: 1) you'll be playing deep and 2) $1K BI intimidates a bunch of fish and keeps them out of the game.
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05-27-2016 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
30 bb/hr at 1/3 NL?!?! Wowzers. Sample size?

Gmyevenmoveupatthatrate?G
Only 310 hours. Felted three times. I've been playing well but I certainly don't think I have the game "beat". There are some players who are just *bad* and can be exploited. Obviously luck plays some part of it: my head-track of flopped flush draws over the last ten sessions that hit is a hair under 30% but that margin has been covered by running hot with open ended straight draws, and a two overs gutshot hit that picked up a BI by itself two sessions ago.
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05-27-2016 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
It just depends on the local conditions. In a lot of 2/5 games, $15-20 is the standard. In others it's $25-30.

TBQH, the 200BB max BI is going to make much more difference in the game than the slightly larger blinds. For two reasons: 1) you'll be playing deep and 2) $1K BI intimidates a bunch of fish and keeps them out of the game.
Thank you.

Is there any reason -- other than effective stacks being lower -- to not BI for 1K?

Assuming betting will mirror pot-centric betting, but the depth will increase frequency of larger % of pot bets? All else equal that's a worry of mine, not adjusting to bigger pot % / bigger than the pot bets.
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05-27-2016 , 02:42 PM
If your roll is only 11.5K, I definitely would buy in for 100BBs at first, both to get used to the bigger game and to reduce your risk-of-ruin.
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05-27-2016 , 02:42 PM
Kid got the phone. Apologies.
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05-27-2016 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
If your roll is only 11.5K, I definitely would buy in for 100BBs at first, both to get used to the bigger game and to reduce your risk-of-ruin.
Since I'll be playing tight anyways, is there a threshold of effective stacks where 100 BB is too short? If it's a full table and everybody's at $800+, or it's a new game and everyone is in at Max BI?

I guess the question is, how short of stack should I be willing to sit down with?
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05-27-2016 , 03:23 PM
I have zero experience moving up in stakes, but don't most recommend simply shortstacking while getting their feet wet? i.e. why not just shortstack BI at $200 and get a feel for the game before adding on if you see fit? If you're going to play tight, sitting with a shortstack is probably optimal, no?

Also, as you probably know, you've been running quite well over a fairly short sample size at 1/3 NL; don't set your expectations too high.

Ggoodluck!G
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05-27-2016 , 03:42 PM
Observe what the table avg open size is accomplishing when you sit down and adjust for your desired result.

My standard open starts at 15 at 1/3 and 25 at 2/5-1k. But obv I adjust given the table.

I'd buy in 500 which allows you to set mine a little as well as play value hands strong without getting in much trouble while getting your feet wet.
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