Pot control goes awry
03-11-2014
, 10:37 PM
5-500 Spread Limit at Casino Arizona.
I have $400 in front of me. Villain has me covered. Villain has been active raising 30-40% of hands. He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
Villain open limps from middle position. I raise to $25 with A
J
everyone else folds and the Villain calls.
$$50 in the pot and flop is A:
:Q3
Villain checks and I bet $30. Villain hesitates for a little while (it felt like he was thinking of raising) and then calls. I had seen him call quickly when he had top pair and medium kicker previously so his delay had my antenna up.
The turn is 8
He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The river is the 3
Villain bets $120. A slight overbet.
Does anyone call here? Would a shove raise be enough to get a small flush to fold?
I have $400 in front of me. Villain has me covered. Villain has been active raising 30-40% of hands. He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
Villain open limps from middle position. I raise to $25 with A
J everyone else folds and the Villain calls.$$50 in the pot and flop is A:
:Q3Villain checks and I bet $30. Villain hesitates for a little while (it felt like he was thinking of raising) and then calls. I had seen him call quickly when he had top pair and medium kicker previously so his delay had my antenna up.
The turn is 8
He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The river is the 3
Villain bets $120. A slight overbet.
Does anyone call here? Would a shove raise be enough to get a small flush to fold?
03-12-2014
, 01:38 AM
Quote:
5-500 Spread Limit at Casino Arizona.
I have $400 in front of me. Villain has me covered. Villain has been active raising 30-40% of hands. He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
Villain open limps from middle position. I raise to $25 with AJ everyone else folds and the Villain calls.
$$50 in the pot and flop is A::Q3
Villain checks and I bet $30. Villain hesitates for a little while (it felt like he was thinking of raising) and then calls. I had seen him call quickly when he had top pair and medium kicker previously so his delay had my antenna up.
The turn is 8
He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The river is the 3
Villain bets $120. A slight overbet.
Does anyone call here? Would a shove raise be enough to get a small flush to fold?
I have $400 in front of me. Villain has me covered. Villain has been active raising 30-40% of hands. He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
Villain open limps from middle position. I raise to $25 with A
J everyone else folds and the Villain calls.$$50 in the pot and flop is A:
:Q3Villain checks and I bet $30. Villain hesitates for a little while (it felt like he was thinking of raising) and then calls. I had seen him call quickly when he had top pair and medium kicker previously so his delay had my antenna up.
The turn is 8
He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The river is the 3
Villain bets $120. A slight overbet.
Does anyone call here? Would a shove raise be enough to get a small flush to fold?
His overbet is too strong.
He's either got a missed draw (like KJ) or a boat.
I hate the 30 bet into 50 on a straightening and flushing board. I would have charged more. I would also have bet the turn.
But as played, fold.
03-12-2014
, 03:31 AM
03-12-2014
, 01:49 PM
Quote:
5-500 Spread Limit at Casino Arizona.
I have $400 in front of me. Villain has me covered. Villain has been active raising 30-40% of hands. He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
Villain open limps from middle position. I raise to $25 with AJ everyone else folds and the Villain calls.
$$50 in the pot and flop is A::Q3
Villain checks and I bet $30. Villain hesitates for a little while (it felt like he was thinking of raising) and then calls. I had seen him call quickly when he had top pair and medium kicker previously so his delay had my antenna up.
The turn is 8
He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The river is the 3
Villain bets $120. A slight overbet.
Does anyone call here? Would a shove raise be enough to get a small flush to fold?
I have $400 in front of me. Villain has me covered. Villain has been active raising 30-40% of hands. He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
Villain open limps from middle position. I raise to $25 with A
J everyone else folds and the Villain calls.$$50 in the pot and flop is A:
:Q3Villain checks and I bet $30. Villain hesitates for a little while (it felt like he was thinking of raising) and then calls. I had seen him call quickly when he had top pair and medium kicker previously so his delay had my antenna up.
The turn is 8
He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The river is the 3
Villain bets $120. A slight overbet.
Does anyone call here? Would a shove raise be enough to get a small flush to fold?
95% of the LLSNL player pool is biologically incapable of folding a hand that is strong in the absolute hand strength sense of the hand in question.
That is, a flush is a strong hand, nevermind that it is a baby flush, and even if the board paired and a baby flush is not only vulnerable to a bigger flush but to a full house as well most LLSNL players are never folding even for 100bb stacks...
In short, you can almost never fold out a baby flush in this spot. Never, so don't even let thoughts like this cross your mind at this level.
Next item I want to get to is the below because it is kinda what recreational players do and think
So the question here is, do we bluff catch?
You stated that:
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He has shown down some weak starting hands that backed into 2 pair so it's fair to say he's loose aggressive but he is capable of hand reading and laying a hand down.
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He checks. I check hoping to keep the pot kind of small. I plan on betting a non diamond river.
The other problem I have with the above quote is that it feels more like a play that is designed to make sure you win the hand rather than a play that is designed to extract max EV. I mean, if V is on a flush draw how exactly are you going to make the most money from V. If you check turn and then bet non-diamond rivers V is going to fold and then you make no more money right????
So the only way you make more money from V is charging him on the turn when you are ahead and he is behind, so why wouldn't we want to bet turn?
But then, after all of the above "I'll wait for a non-diamond river to bet..." now once the diamond comes in you are actually thinking of bluffing or bluff catching....
that is kinda what rec-fish do. They don't bet the turn in these spots because they are scared, but then when the scare card hits they go ahead and pay it off anyways and then will often say, "Yeah, I knew you were on a flush draw, nice catch!" and they say this as villain is racking up the chips hero just paid him off with
Don't be that guy.
If you read V for a flush draw then river is a trivial fold.
If V can/will float you on this flop with ATC with the plan to bluff you off on scary rivers more than 33%-ish of the time you can bluff catch river... but that is more of a justification to spazz call imo.
So i'd just go ahead and fold here and next time bet the freakin turn
