Hero: Late 20's, look about 18. Been at the table about 3 hours. very loose passive table. ive been very active. theres a couple few 200 bb stacks at the tavle so I've been 3betting them and opening alot in general.

One player that seems semi competent villain 1 to my immediate left. Only other playerror at the table who's been ×/r or 3betting since I've been there. Only person who's been playing back at me.

One hand. I get KQs in the sb. a couple of callers. I make it 19. Vil 1 in the bb calls.
flop is 448r . I make it 40. He calls.
turns J. I think about betting but can't really rep too many Jack's and he's already shown a willingness to call me down. He checks
at this point I think he has something like 5s to tt
rivers a K and I bet 50. he folds.

After this hand, he shows me 99 and basically tells me his whole thought process and how much he knows. this is why I never talk strategy. Basically saying he knew players at 1.2 play staright up and all this stuff. Laying hands down and just thinking about direct kinds of lines. talking about his range being capped.

so about an hour later I'm dealt 9h6h in the bb. villa1 opens to 12 from utg. couple of callers and I decide to see a flop. 200bbs effective

t2h9

I check. villain bets 30. 2 folds. I think a min or so and make it. 115. My thinking is this is kinda a semi bluff. If he has an over pair. he's already let me know he thinks this is a set most of the time. I plan on most turns, including paint, a 9, 6 or any heart.

don't know how to hide answer on my phone will update after. any criticism is appreciated

You posted in the wrong forum. I'll move it in a few mins.

ok, ty

What stakes are you playing? I'll assume this is 1/2 and you're each about $400 deep, but hand plays differently if you're playing 1/3 and $600 deep.

Obviously fold pre. You have a trash hand.

Assume flop was Th2h9x? If so, I probably just call. I'm not in the business of trying to get people to fold overpairs or top pairs, even 200 bbs deep. That said, if you think you can get him off of an overpair, I'd raise to $100 and then lead $150 on basically every turn except maybe a 2 or a K.

Hand 1 looks fine to me.

In hand 2, you can both call and raise. Against overpairs, you have ~45% equity, so getting it in wouldn't be too bad. If he calls, you have a little less than potsize left on the turn.

What I wouldn't do is shoving most turns after a thinking player called the flop raise. On a T9hhx board, you have a huge number of draws in your range and the other guy probably knows about that. So it's highly likely that he called the flop to stack off on a save turn and fold if one of the obvious draws comes in. Otherwise he'd just fold the flop or sticks it in there.

This is a classic thread about the less obvious tilt that many players go through. You got away with a bluff. So you decide, "what the hell, let's do it again." However, the situations are different. He called pf and had 3rd pair in hand 1 on the river. In hand 2, he raised pf and called your raise on a dry board. Instead of a $118 pot in hand 1, you've bloated the pot to about $270 and since I'm assuming this is 1/2, you only have about a PSB left.

Maybe he's super weak-tight, but it is going to be hard to push him off this hand. Sets are hard to get and on a dryish board, he's not buying you woke up with one. Especially if it took you a minute to act. That's why this is tilt. It didn't matter what is going on, you decided you're running over this guy. This type of tilt cost players even more money that standard monkey tilt.

Seat change, please. Why would you let the only good player at the table have position on you?

maybe I wasent clear. the flop is not two hearts. it's a rainbow with one heart..also, I'm not sure why we're assuming he automatic has a pp. He's the second most active player at the table. for the record, shortly after hand #1, I requested a table change. 3 tables condensed to 2 and here we are. Anyway, this is the range that I constructed for his opening utg. I think he also c bets these hands a high pct of the time.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

56,430 trials (Exhaustive)

board: t92

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
ak,aq,acjc+,jj,qq,kk,aa	46.08%	26,001	0
9h6h	53.92%	30,429	0

he hasn't called yet, I paused after the raise to see what people thought. This is a rainbow flop with one heart. Not sure why you think me thinking for a second is a tell of weakness. I can't remember a time I've flopped a set and snap check raised. Not arguing just wanting to see where you're coming from. Those are some pretty big assumptions.

If you think his range is wide, then what are you trying to accomplish with a c/r? Get better to fold, or worse to call? I think this might be what Venice was getting by calling it "tilt." If I were better/more efficient with math, I'd do the calculations, but we can figure out EV of folds by comparing ratios of continuing and folding combos in V's range. Personally, I might check/call 1 or two streets & try to bluff-catch if V is extra LAG. How liberal would he be firing into 2 players OOP + us to the right? Does he always do this w/ strong Ax hands, especially at a very loose passive table?

Based on what he wrote above I'm guessing that OP thinks V's range has a lot of A high and he's ahead and also that V might fold better because of the strat talk prior.

I'm going to argue a bit with V's range - I doubt he cbets a lot of that A high into 3 others on this flop. I think his cbet range is going to be considerably tighter and maybe only over pairs.

I also think that most 1/2 players aren't going to play a set like this. Generally unless there's a flush draw on board they'll slow play a set. Call flop, c/r turn would look the most like a set to me.

But let's not forget the real important advice in this thread. Fold pre.

Fold pre is obvious

Too often, I have done what you are doing. There is 1 good player at the table, and I decide to try to outplay him for stacks for no reason.

Let him think he is better than you. Maybe he is. It doesn't matter who is best if you can make money from the other 8 spots.