1/2 NL live - I don't play much poker as you will so be able to tell...but I'd like to know how to play an over pair in this situation...

Hero UTG with $400
V1 UTG+1 with $500
V2 BTN with $500+

Hero has 9s9c raises to $7
V1 calls, V2 3 bet to $21, both call

3 way flop
6d 7d 8h

Hero BETS (wrong?) $50
V1 calls, V2 raises to $100

Both fold....

My rational - I get called after betting over half pot and then raised...gave credit for over pair, trips, straight, flush draw.

I'm guessing I should be check raising this hand all in??

BTN shows td2d so flush and straight (although I block) draws...obviously vs this exact hand HU I'm making a bad fold.

Hero is opening UTG and is still getting 3 bet pre. Then your donklead gets raised on the flop by what is almost 100 percent a bigger overpair like QQ-KK or AA.


Your donkbet on the flop is bad because you are just building up the pot for the 3 bettor,and a good chunk of his 3 bet range consists of overpairs on this board. All your bet accomplishes is that villain gets an easy fold with his whiffed AQ/AK type of hands, and then you are building up the pot for him all the times he has you beat.

Check-raising allin on the flop could be a decent play, but it depends alot on how 3 bettors C-bet range looks like and what bet sizes he chooses. If he is the type of player who also C-bets his whiffed A high hands in a 3 bet pot- then i like the check/raise allin line. If you are getting snapped off by QQ+ everytime you do i dont like it.

Would check raise possibly have button fold over pair in this situation?

Most likely: no. And by the way thats why a donklead with two pair or a set is good in this spot- villain is very likely to just pile it in with his big overpairs giving your donklead little respect.

But in this hand you have 10 clean outs against a big overpair, so its not like any crisis at all to get it in if he happens to have an overpair. However we need to get folds some portion of the time also for the check-raise-stackoff line to be profitable long term. That would mean villain has to have a wider C-betting range in this spot than only overpairs for this to be a good move for us.


If we end up getting it in against his QQ+ every single time we obviously is losing money.

Preflop looks fine. You are deep enough to set mine.. or play along a little with the right flop.

OTF - You've flopped very nice and you are bound to have some equity. If you're pf raise hadnt been 3bet - you would gladly cbet this board. However, a large portion of the 3bet range is an overpair - and your donk lead just tees you up to get blown off here. I like check call much better. As to whether a c/r would work - that's very player dependent. Considerations are 1) player reads (you mention none) 2) betsizing - sometimes smaller bets indicate weaker hands 3) number of opponents.

As played.... it's only a minraise - but with v1 lurking... better to fold.

Grunch: OP, please don't post results. It's too late for me to edit them out, as several people have responded already, but they bias responses.

Donking OTF is pretty bad, IMO. His 3-bet range has mostly overpairs that beat you, and maybe some AK that is only drawing to 6-outs. Meanwhile, you have a nice SD and already some SDV. If you check he will sometimes check back and let you draw cheaply, and often bet-size poorly and let you draw cheaply.

Min-raise is generally very strong. I'm very suspicious of it on a board this wet, though, even in a three-bet pot. I'm putting V on KK+, AdKd, and maybe just a couple combos of spazz. Thing is, he's offering a nice price to draw. You only need to call $50 in to $260, so you would only be putting 16% of the pot in (and V1 will often come too, offering an even better price.) You are about 16% to hit a straight OTT and should have good IOs if you do (though sometimes the FD will also come in, killing your hand or your action). Turn is about break-even, imo, though with us also having SDV, I'd probably call as played.

Wonders if Gilmour was paying attention to stack sizes when he suggested crai??

Thanks for pointing that out, stacks are for sure too big for a check-raise allin, it went a little bit fast in my first couple of posts cause had alot of thoughts on my mind.

Although this is a somewhat dynamic flop I'd usually x/c flop here. We are ahead of his AK and have decent equity vs his overpairs although we can't expect more than one bet when we hit against his ops since our set and straights all put one liners on board. Sometimes we will just get to showdown with the best hand when he shuts town ott.

Agree with others to check/call flop and assess the turn. Only other recommendation is either to raise larger pre ($10-15 is a good starting point) or limp/call if the table is aggressive with 3! preflop (unlikely).

There is a small chance BTN just 3! you because of your small sizing and is looking to take advantage of your inexperience.

You seem to have completely forgotten that someone re-raised preflop. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by betting the flop? You know he's just going to raise you with any big hand, and he's just going to fold his air that you are already beating. When you donkbet like this you simply make worse hands fold and better hands call/raise you. Dont do it. I assume you're worried that he has AK and you dont want to give him a free card. But that's only 6 outs you have to dodge, and without position you really have no clue what he has so you cant just make a random assumption like this assuming that was your motive. You also ****ed up your chance to hit a straight for a big pot vs a player who might not be able to lay down AA. Next time check-call in this situation depending upon how much he bets the flop. At this point you're in it to win the $400, not the $50 or so that will be in the pot when he bets.