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My point is that even the players who are picking up poker books are still hopeless against the best players. I see people around that have been playing since the game was 5 card stud and they are not punters, but they are still easy money.
Yes, but these players aren't the ones contributing to majority of your profits. They will continue to exist because they have inadvertently discovered a budget balance that allows them to continue to play.
Poker is now filled with many of these players and more of them are continuing to trend toward the same balance.
It's a good makeup for a social club, not so much if you are looking to make a living.
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They had years to get better and they didn't.
They did get better, not all of them started as moderately small losers. And the ones that are still playing from those days, these are cream of the crops. You don't find many of these for a simple reason that it is an accomplishment to be one of them, even if you don't see how it could be a positive feat.
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Why would I expect the next generations to be different?
What next generation? That's my question.
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I am not close to the skill cap if the best players in the world are not close to the skill cap.
There is an absolute ceiling and there is a relative ceiling. Most of us in these forums are far from the absolute, but very close to the relative ceiling. Hence we are still posting in LLSNL and not playing in high stakes.
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Rec-regs are absolutely nowhere near the skill cap and the fish are hopeless.
Rec-regs exist because they aren't losing beyond their ability to absorb the loss. If there are a ton of these red-regs that are losing at high dollar value to make up for a significant portion of your poker income, congratulation, you are in a very good place.
There aren't that many groups of people outside the population of retired and wealthy folks that fit such bill, and unfortunately it is also a dying population. Plus these folks are peculiar and they have the financial ability to find new means of entertainment to kill time.
It is an easy group to sheer, but it does require more than just poker skills.
Old fish are gone. New fish aren't finding their way into the water.
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The skill gap is not narrowing at a significant pace when the most experienced players in the room are horrible. If the attitude of the masses towards poker changes and they start treating it more like chess and less like blackjack then maybe the games won't be worth playing anymore.
That's the thing...the attitude toward poker has changed significantly. That's what happens when it has been under spotlight for almost 20 years. There will never be another event in poker similar to Moneymaker. I can't see something like that happening in the old analog world when everything is trending toward other direction.
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You're right that we need new players joining the game, even if it's only for the fact that a lot of the older players who slowly bleed money will eventually die (sorry for the morbidity). I don't see this as a problem. There's a lot of diversity in most of the poker rooms I play at. I see all races and experience levels at the table.
I can see where you are going with this, and yes, there are a lot more new immigrants playing in these rooms that weren't around in the earlier boom days.
However, these are also some highly skilled tech workers. And yes they are often pretty bad, but they are certainly no dummies. These players are far smarter and more successful than the majority of the old boom players.
If these are the players that are filling up the room, expect the game to die even faster.