I'm in middle position with QQ in a 9 player game, sitting on $260
UTG+1 has $115 and makes it $12 in a 1-3 game where hardly anyone folds but somehow two players fold to me and I make it $35 to go, (typically I make it 3x but decided to round down this time).
It folds around to the button who has about $220 and decides to min raise me to $70. The mp player then goes all in for $115 and I'm staring at the button's stack, who will obviously act after me, and he has me covered.
Edit : oops sorry somehow I read pocket 55. Queens its a decision you've got to make but I would assume you're running into Aces the way the action played. Tough but I think you should fold to some opponents and push it against others.
Last edited by TheStrumps; 12-20-2017 at 03:27 PM.
I would raise much more than $35 in the first place. Sounds like you're in a game where people want to see flops. In general, I remember getting away with much larger sizing playing 2/3, and continue getting away with it at 5/5. Vs a short-stack that I want to go HU ai with, I don't think I'd go less than $45.
As for the rest, this is extremely villain dependent. There are some players whom I'd instamuck against and others I'd be happy shoving with. Vs an unknown, this might seem nitty, but the general population has an extremely condensed 4betting range and the minbet screams please pay me, so I'd fold & never tell anyone. If we had deeper stacks, I'd call to setmine knowing BTN can't re-raise.
I like our 3bet sizing. Openers stack is quite small, we've denied setmining odds and we're looking to get action and just get to the flop where we can usually shove for the rest of it.
Any reads on 4better? What's our image?
We just faced a cold 4bet in LLSNL, and sized to where it wants action. I'm finding a fold here unless we have a really aggro image and so does 4better.
Absent any other information the min raise is very strong. MP can be shoving wider but he isn't bluffing, he knows button is never folding. Without enough history to estimate both villain's ranges I would expect that one of them has AA/KK enough that calling or shoving is bad.
I would raise much more than $35 in the first place. Sounds like you're in a game where people want to see flops. In general, I remember getting away with much larger sizing playing 2/3, and continue getting away with it at 5/5. Vs a short-stack that I want to go HU ai with, I don't think I'd go less than $45.
As for the rest, this is extremely villain dependent. There are some players whom I'd instamuck against and others I'd be happy shoving with. Vs an unknown, this might seem nitty, but the general population has an extremely condensed 4betting range and the minbet screams please pay me, so I'd fold & never tell anyone. If we had deeper stacks, I'd call to setmine knowing BTN can't re-raise.
Absent any other information the min raise is very strong. MP can be shoving wider but he isn't bluffing, he knows button is never folding. Without enough history to estimate both villain's ranges I would expect that one of them has AA/KK enough that calling or shoving is bad.
"He knows"? Have you ever played 1/3? Most of them arent aware at all.
"He knows"? Have you ever played 1/3? Most of them arent aware at all.
I didn't mean to imply they are thinking about what the min raiser has. A decent portion where I play would realize the min raise means a good hand but they are not thinking about ranges, equity or such.
Mostly they are thinking the min raiser is never folding for that little money. It's only another $45 and he already made it $70. They are probably not doing the math but they are aware that it's only a little more money.
EZ fold, people don't 5b shove under the gun with anything QQ beats, and people don't min 4b a 3b over an UTG open with anything you beat either. I'm actually more worried about BTN here fwiw
Why would UTG+1 make it $12 with KK+ if hardly anyone folds? Is it because he probably has AA and wants all them AX hands to tag along? Or is it common for someone to 3! a $12 open in EP & he's hoping to 4!?
Why is the purpose of Button's min-raise? Does he want to increase his chances of winning with KK+ going HU instead of 3-way, or does he have AK & expects his min-raise to push out UTG+1?
Why does UTG+1 shove his small stack after all that raising behind him? Did he open with AKs & decided to let it ride, or, did he trap with KK+?
Just a few questions I would be asking myself in an attempt to come up with an excuse to shove [because calling is worse] but I'd end up folding, because I can't read their souls.
@witehype: But why did you fold? What were thinking folding the 3rd best starting hand in Hold 'Em poker? A weak-passive player could have made that fold just because he's scared. I'm hoping that your analysis of how the play evolved pre, allowed you to surmise someone had a bigger PP.
I have folded QQ only to find that my 2 opponents had AKs vs. JJ or AKo vs. AQs etc., more than once. It's been awhile, but if memory serves me right, it happened when I wasn't paying attention to the players. Too many T.V.'s.
