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11-27-2013 , 10:16 PM
Villain (250): Not much of a read on him at this point.
Hero (225)

V raises to 5. Hero calls on btw w/ TT. 2 others call.
Flop is 652. Limper bets 11, V calls, I raise to 38.
Limper folds, V calls.
Turn is 8.
V chks.
What is your move? What do you put him on?
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11-27-2013 , 10:29 PM
I assume btw = button?

Where is villain? UTG? HJ?

Where are the callers?

I think villain is EP, one MP caller, and one caller in the blinds?

How many times has villain seen a flop in the last hour?

What percent of the time does villain open- raise as opposed to limping?
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11-27-2013 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by atsuss33
Villain (250): Not much of a read on him at this point.
Hero (225)

V raises to 5. Hero calls on btw w/ TT. 2 others call.
Flop is 652. Limper bets 11, V calls, I raise to 38.
Limper folds, V calls.
Turn is 8.
V chks.
What is your move? What do you put him on?
Firstly, I would 3 bet pre in this spot to like $21.

I like the raise on the flop though, so many turn cards could scare us.

This turn card however essentially means nothing, so I would fire about 3/4 pot here to scare away any draws he may be holding. Chances are he is chasing hearts with something like JT
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11-27-2013 , 10:37 PM
V opening for $5 but calling your otf raise to $38 most likely is either Arag, A6, 66, 55, 22 or maybe something like 77 or 88 (which would be disaster for you here). But with zero reads it's hard to say for sure.

Pot now is at about $100. I'd b/f $60 here. If V just calls, definitely fold to any or Ace otr and V bets anything of substance, would have to go by "feel" for any other card.
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11-28-2013 , 02:14 AM
how does a limper bet $11?

3bet pre

$90 on the turn and shove any non heart, AKQJ rivers.
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11-28-2013 , 10:44 AM
What are we doing set mining here with TT pre flop?

Raise this up, easy raise to like $20-$25 depending on what you think about the players in between.

Flop is fine as played.
Turn is an easy bet. There is $92 if I can add right - estimated rake so I'd go something along the lines of $55-70. You should be ahead here pretty much always.

River I'd check on a river heart, value bet small on a card T or lower, and either bet small or check on a K-J. (Checking behind on most Ace rivers)

Also, try to include the pot size on your posts, it will make it a lot easier to follow and respond. Will allow people to give their best opinions without having to wade through hard to read posts.

Try to read some of the posts about good posting formats.
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11-28-2013 , 10:56 AM
Yea, Go about 3/4 pot on Turn.
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11-28-2013 , 01:13 PM
I'm checking turn. Not really ever getting a better hand to fold.
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11-28-2013 , 01:25 PM
You don't need a better hand to fold. You are betting for value and to protect against the million draws that are out there.

Bet/fold about $60.
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11-28-2013 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bvanlaanen45
I'm checking turn. Not really ever getting a better hand to fold.
You forgot about the second and third reason to bet:

[x] Worse hands may call

[x] Make draws pay to get there
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12-01-2013 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
I assume btw = button?

Where is villain? UTG? HJ?

Where are the callers?

I think villain is EP, one MP caller, and one caller in the blinds?

How many times has villain seen a flop in the last hour?

What percent of the time does villain open- raise as opposed to limping?
Sorry.....still getting used to this.

Btw = btn (button)
V is in HJ.
Callers are in EP & MP.
V has been limping in a lot of pots. Has not raised often though.
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12-01-2013 , 05:27 PM
i tend to check it back here as too often they have a bigger pair and arent being aggressive. then on the river i can make a good guess if he bluffs or not if he bets.
and if he had a made hand on the turn i would have lost that money anyway.
by betting.
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12-01-2013 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by atsuss33
Sorry.....still getting used to this.

Btw = btn (button)
V is in HJ.
Callers are in EP & MP.
V has been limping in a lot of pots. Has not raised often though.
So what kind of hands do you think he could be on here? Considering that he was willing to put in a rare, timid pfr? Whatever it is, he sure liked it on the flop, maybe less so on the turn.

I discount aces, nobody is that timid. (Pre, maybe. But no AA ever checks this turn.)

I would include any other overpair, 77 to KK, weighted toward the bigger end because he's so passive. Passive cally players tend to hate laying down what is, in their eyes, "top pair." That's good for you if he's on 99, although with that turn card, you're really cutting down on the number of pairs you beat, right?

Also, I think suited broadways like AhQh or even AhKh are in his range. This is good for you. (That's just my opinion and you might disagree. RayZee makes a good point. But people who limp and call a lot are usually looking to get lucky with a big hand, and they love those flush draws.)

He would probably check/call 77 on the turn.

People like this tend to come out firing if they make a good hand, so 88 seems unlikely to me. (But watch out if a flush card hits on the river and he comes out with a big bet.)

Finally, ask yourself whether he ever folds if you bet on the turn. (I would suggest, pretty much never).

I personally think there are more draws out there, that we can make money off of, than there are pairs that beat us.

If you agree, bet turn. If you disagree, check behind and try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.
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12-02-2013 , 01:11 AM
that sums it up pretty well but you need to take into consideration if you want to try to induce a bluff on the river or are you going to fold to any bet.
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