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11-28-2016 , 04:14 AM

ThisPlayerRocks

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Hello. 9max, 1-2$.
Hero with KK on cutoff, stack 150$. Utg limps, Utg+1 limps( bets with hands(top pair+)), Utg+2(agressive reiser, bluffed in previous hands), Hero raises to 15$, Utg calls, Utg+1 calls, Utg +2 calls. Flop 9s4s7. Utg checks, Utg+1 bets 35$, Utg+2 raises to 70$, Hero goes all in.
What do you think? Is my push good?

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11-28-2016 , 09:46 AM

QuadJ

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With 3 limps in front you probably want to make it $20/$25 preflop, having it go 3 ways to the flop makes this risky.

With a bit over $60 in the pot and your stack at $135 your pretty committed with a big over pair. The bet/min raise is one of the sequences you can consider folding. Given the preflop and flop action there is a decent chance somebody flopped a set but if UTG+1 will bet an over pair and UTG+2 might be bluffing/semibluffing then moving in can't be bad either. Make a read and go with it.

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11-28-2016 , 10:00 AM

Miami33305

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Originally Posted by ThisPlayerRocks

I think even though utg+2 is an aggressive raiser you still might be beat here it's a draw heavy board and even if they're not drawing they could have flopped a set. You could be drawing very thin....anyways lmk how it went & the end result happy grinding

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11-28-2016 , 10:09 AM

Dochrohan

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Preflop was a clear sign you raised too small.

75bb and being cash and this big of a pot.

Get it in on this wet board vs opponents.

You have outs

Less variance.

Fold. Reload

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11-28-2016 , 10:23 AM

St.Boston

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Pre flop raise is too small. But you did it so its an easy fold on the flop you are basically overcalling or raising and you need a monster to do that. utg+1 could have aces, but more likely one of the limpers had a pair and hit trips on the flop. If not maybe one of them has an ace high flush draw and you would still need to dodge all those flush outs plus the aces. Bad push.

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11-28-2016 , 10:27 AM

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Looks fine. Sounds like UTG+2 would bet with combo draws. UTG+1 might bet QQ-TT or 9x. You're obviously way behind sets. Both villains have enough non-set combos to make shoving profitable with an SPR<2.

If limp/calling big preflop bets is normal, you should make it ~$20. Ideally, you play KK against 1-2 opponents, not 3+.

Last edited by Nice_Guy_Eddie; 11-28-2016 at 10:32 AM.

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11-28-2016 , 12:08 PM

The Rumor

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I'm getting it in here and not feeling bad about it

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11-28-2016 , 05:03 PM

BLACK17

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Originally Posted by ThisPlayerRocks

Was about to post my hand, but saw this and had to comment. I had an almost identical hand this weekend...OMC led with $75 though and I mucked the kings. Flop was 932...he and his neighbor at the table discussed his flopped set of 9's after the hand. Another nitty fold by me but the correct one.

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11-28-2016 , 05:16 PM

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Originally Posted by BLACK17

Don't assume because you made the correct decision against his specific hand that it's always the right play against his range.

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11-28-2016 , 05:29 PM

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BLACK17

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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie

Don't assume because you made the correct decision against his specific hand that it's always the right play against his range.

Defintely consider that...in this particular spot his range was 99, 33, 22 in my opinion...the way he lead out, his bet sizing, everything. I believe there were three callers to my $15 pre-flop raise so he over bet big....

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11-28-2016 , 11:16 PM

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ThisPlayerRocks

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Originally Posted by BLACK17

What about TT-QQ, K9-A9?

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11-29-2016 , 01:57 AM

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BackDoorFlush

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Originally Posted by The Rumor

I'm getting it in here and not feeling bad about it

This.

For those advocating a larger raise pre-flop, we want action with our kings, right? A $25 raise is 12.5 times the big blind. How often are people calling raises that big? I think $15 is good sizing.

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11-29-2016 , 04:42 AM

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Dochrohan

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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush

You don't have to go super big, depends on what they're willing to pay. If you make 20 and get 2 callers, you miss out on $5 from the 3rd caller compared to $15 original raise.

And some % you're going to get 3 callers, just like some % you're going to get 1 caller. It's not the fact that it is a small raise, it's a small raise because he managed to get that many callers. I'm willing to bet, this table, likes to see pots, $15 is not the right amount with 3 limpers because their frequency of calling is probably too high at that amount, you can go ever higher before you start affecting that frequency.

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11-29-2016 , 02:41 PM

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iraisetoomuch

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Grunch:
Slightly bigger pre flop most likely, but without knowing how the table plays it's hard to tell. Sometimes $15 will get folds all around, sometimes it's basicly a limp.

As played, cramming it in is likely fine with an SPR of <3 on the flop with some draws on it. But we aren't going to win this a huge portion more than our fair share.

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