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Pocket Kings in the Big Blind..Did I play this right? Pocket Kings in the Big Blind..Did I play this right?

10-13-2018 , 12:38 PM
1/3 NL Tex Holdem..Hero has about 300 in front He is on the BB.

Game is loose and aggressive as usual.

hero picks up Kc Kd in the big blind.

UTG +1 has about 600 in front, seems like a pretty tight solid player, called.
Mid position, called, extrmely loose player, $200 in front.
Highjack calls, don't know much about him, seems tight, has only $150 in front.
Lowjack calls, seems like a pretty loose aggressive player calls has $1000 in front
Dealer calls, just sat down, has about $150
Small blind calls, total oaf. he's been calling and raising with grabage. Asked lots of questions about how the table works. New player. Very loose. Has about $120 in front.

Hero Raises to $25 with KcKd. Out of position, need to thin the field.
UTG+1 folds. The lowjack folds. Dealer folds. Everyone else calls.

Small blind raises to $50 (I guess he doesn't believe me?)

What's the best play now?

Last edited by thenewoldpro; 10-13-2018 at 12:44 PM.
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10-13-2018 , 12:42 PM
All you can eat baby.
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10-13-2018 , 12:44 PM
I would agree with shoving so you can take the pot down and avoids getting sucked out on by a weak ace cause it’s a 1/3 game
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10-13-2018 , 12:47 PM
You’re saying all these people limped, yes? You said the first guy called but I don’t see any raises anywhere.

With $120 behind and someone raising to $50 it’s standard to shove. Nobody is going to fold for another $25 so you’re going to go 5-6 ways or whatever to the flop if you just call here.

With that said, it might be slightly more profitable to call and just shove any non-A high flop but that’s a hugely volatile play and you’ll go broke a lot.

Based on you being so short-stacked and not topped off, you’re probably not in the position to make such a high variance play so just shove.
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10-13-2018 , 04:34 PM
Shove. Ainec. Plenty of dead money in the pot I'm happy to take down uncontested if that is the result.
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10-13-2018 , 04:44 PM
Raise enough to put SB all in (hero does not need to shove full stack though and it's better not to). Sb is short, no need to get cute with the 2nd best possible hand, and him snapping you off with many worse hands.
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10-13-2018 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Raise enough to put SB all in (hero does not need to shove full stack though and it's better not to). Sb is short, no need to get cute with the 2nd best possible hand, and him snapping you off with many worse hands.
Curious why you think there is a big difference between shoving and making it 120 (SB stack size). Remaining villains started the hand with 150 and 200. I doubt either is expecting fold equity if they shove over the top, and are going to react the same either way, no?
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10-13-2018 , 05:29 PM
Grunch: WP so far, now an easy shove.

Post grunch edit: but not for the silly reason of avoiding getting sucked out on by a weak ace, for pure fat value.
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10-13-2018 , 06:57 PM
This was close to the nut best possible result after we raised. Shove for value and sweet, sweet dead money.
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10-14-2018 , 02:43 AM
Hero elects to call. Here was my reasoning.

I thought pretty hard about shoving, but I realize this probably shuts down my action. Even the super loose player in front has to fold. I had seen him reraise in the past whenever he had decent hands. So I know he has basically nothing. Tight player doesn't have much of a stack and neither does Dummy to my right. So I think they are probably calling with weak hands. I want a caller or two. I think it's better risk/reward as any of these players will probably stack off with top pair or a draw. My plan is to check and see if an Ace hits the flop and if it doesn't I am going all in.

Flop comes out 2h 3h Ks.. Small blind bets $25

Your move.
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10-14-2018 , 03:58 AM
Pre snap shove, ap call otf and get ready to go broke on any turn.
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10-14-2018 , 04:19 AM
Shove all day here...they could all fold or the minraise was aces but that's SSNL.
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10-14-2018 , 06:08 AM
Slam it in pre ,not close. AP shove because a terrible player has about zero dollars behind and we have the nuts.

This is not a tricky hand.
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10-14-2018 , 10:09 AM
Shouldn't he raise more than to $25 with 6 limpers and oop?
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10-14-2018 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Phraust
Shouldn't he raise more than to $25 with 6 limpers and oop?
$25 seems okay, despite many limpers. I mean we want _some_ action and not folds around.

Nothing wrong with going even bigger though with this many limpers.
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10-14-2018 , 06:20 PM
25 is too small imo, 36 seems better.

As played pre, I would actually be tempted to get fancy and 4bet to 80 lol, hoping someone else comes along and SB moves all-in for 120, thereby reopening the action. :-D But just shoving instead would be standard.

As played, it's unclear if your the only caller. Did the rest fold?
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10-14-2018 , 08:21 PM
Raise more Preflop. 25 is just too small. I agree with something like 36.

Just shove. There is the dead money. And the remaining player's stack sizes aren't much more than SB. If we just raise to 120, we may accidentally price the others in with the correct equity to see a flop.
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10-15-2018 , 11:30 AM
pre I like $30 better
AS PLAYED
I'm willing to take a chance and flat the flop $25 from the sb
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10-15-2018 , 01:27 PM
After 6 limpers at my typical loose table a $25 raise is going 7ways each and every time. With a $300 stack, I'd typically aim for $30 to prevent setmining odds, but due to being OOP and the chances of multiple people still coming along (thus padding their setmining odds) I'd more go like $35 to $40 at a loose table.

Having said that, good result as all the stacks as deep as us (the only ones with decent IO) folded and only the smaller ones (who all have horrible IO even if it goes multiway) came along. And now thanks to the oaf minraising it opens the door for us. There's already $150 in the pot and the remaining stacks range from $175 to $125 and less. Seems like a trivial shove at this point. You'd need a math guy to math it, but my guess is that having everyone fold and shipping $150 tax free is more EV than everyone calling.

ETA: As played, how many people called? Give us the pot size and the remaining stack sizes. My guess is that everyone only has like 1/3 PSB left or whatever and there's a flush draw / some straight draws, so I just the flop. Think we're getting too FPS overall.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 10-15-2018 at 01:33 PM.
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10-15-2018 , 01:59 PM
More pre first time.

AP pre $80 re-raise, then shove over shorty's all0in to $120.

Turn shove

river shove

shove somebody on the way out of the place

shove your wife when you get home

practice at home piling up things and shoving them across the table

Why are you not shovelling chips into this hand?
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10-15-2018 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
After 6 limpers at my typical loose table a $25 raise is going 7ways each and every time. With a $300 stack, I'd typically aim for $30 to prevent setmining odds, but due to being OOP and the chances of multiple people still coming along (thus padding their setmining odds) I'd more go like $35 to $40 at a loose table.

Having said that, good result as all the stacks as deep as us (the only ones with decent IO) folded and only the smaller ones (who all have horrible IO even if it goes multiway) came along. And now thanks to the oaf minraising it opens the door for us. There's already $150 in the pot and the remaining stacks range from $175 to $125 and less. Seems like a trivial shove at this point. You'd need a math guy to math it, but my guess is that having everyone fold and shipping $150 tax free is more EV than everyone calling.

ETA: As played, how many people called? Give us the pot size and the remaining stack sizes. My guess is that everyone only has like 1/3 PSB left or whatever and there's a flush draw / some straight draws, so I just the flop. Think we're getting too FPS overall.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Here's what happened. I push all in to protect my set. (Was wondering if slow playing makes more sense as I have a great hand (compared to what I expect them to have), but too worried about getting drawn out. Loose player snap folds. Tight player with 150 snap calls ( I put him on a flush draw). Oaf calls with A-7 offsuit (no Ace of hearts).

Tight player shows pocket 3's..he hit his set. Set over Set, I am relieved as he has just 1 out. The Oaf is drawing nearly dead (I guess he puts me on a bluff or K-Q).

Kings hold up and I take down the pot.
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10-15-2018 , 09:20 PM
No offense, OP, but you are not kind of pro yet. You aren't thinking about pojer correctly. Read up a LOT on EV and value. You did the right thing eventually, but for the wrong reasons.

Bet for value and be glad to be called by draws.
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10-15-2018 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
No offense, OP, but you are not kind of pro yet. You aren't thinking about pojer correctly. Read up a LOT on EV and value. You did the right thing eventually, but for the wrong reasons.

Bet for value and be glad to be called by draws.
I dont think I ever said I was a pro. (It's just a nickname).

That being said probably was FPS to just call there.
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10-16-2018 , 01:35 PM
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All you can eat baby.
Yep haha.

Next time raise larger pre $25 is too small with all the limps in front of you. $35-40 next time. If the table folds, so be it.
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10-16-2018 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Grunch: WP so far, now an easy shove.

Post grunch edit: but not for the silly reason of avoiding getting sucked out on by a weak ace, for pure fat value.
Totally this.
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