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Pocket Jacks against a drunk player who has not viewed his hand Pocket Jacks against a drunk player who has not viewed his hand

08-06-2019 , 12:56 PM
Game is $1-$2, but spread-limit, where you can only bet or raise a max of $100 at a time (ie, if I bet $100, you can raise to $200, then I can make it $300, etc.)

Anyway. Saturday night, 2 AM, very loose game. Me and Villain each have $1,000 stacks.

Villain has been drinking but is not drunk. He’s been announcing raises before he gets his cards and delivering on it (“I’m gonna make it $50 UTG in the dark here.”). Gives the impression of a higher-stakes gambler slumming it for a night. He’s getting paid on hands like the previous, where his A7 wound up hitting an A on the river to beat a KK (who made it $150 preflop; villain called flop and turn without looking at his hand, then looked after the river hit before making the call with top pair.)

Anyway. In this hand I’m UTG with JJ and he’s on the button. I limp for $2, a couple call, Villain makes it $50 on the button without viewing his hand (as expected), blinds fold, I make it $150, everyone folds but Villain who calls. I’ve seen no sign he’s viewed his hand yet.

Flop: Q72

I bet $100 he calls. Still hasn’t looked at his hand, that I’ve seen.

Turn: K

I bet $100, he calls again. He still hasn’t seen his hand.

River: Q

My questions for you:

1. Was I right to bet the turn?
2. What is the right play on the river?

Thank you. My first time playing live in several years!
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08-06-2019 , 02:47 PM
Assuming he hasn’t looked at his hand, absolutely betting every street is the right play. If he’s got 1 of the 5 Ks or Qs, oh well.
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08-06-2019 , 03:09 PM
Well played to river and it’s a clear value bet. You have 77% equity against a random hand.
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08-06-2019 , 03:19 PM
I actually think an interesting decision point is pf. Depending on if I think other players are limp/trapping as well, I might have repopped to something much bigger ($300-400) making post decisions a bit more linear, and perhaps getting him to spazz ship it.
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08-06-2019 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
I actually think an interesting decision point is pf. Depending on if I think other players are limp/trapping as well, I might have repopped to something much bigger ($300-400) making post decisions a bit more linear, and perhaps getting him to spazz ship it.
You may want to re-read the OP and see if you come up with any different ideas the second time around. There are a numbers of problems with your solutions
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08-06-2019 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Game is $1-$2, but spread-limit, where you can only bet or raise a max of $100 at a time (ie, if I bet $100, you can raise to $200, then I can make it $300, etc.)

Anyway. Saturday night, 2 AM, very loose game. Me and Villain each have $1,000 stacks.

Villain has been drinking but is not drunk. He’s been announcing raises before he gets his cards and delivering on it (“I’m gonna make it $50 UTG in the dark here.”). Gives the impression of a higher-stakes gambler slumming it for a night. He’s getting paid on hands like the previous, where his A7 wound up hitting an A on the river to beat a KK (who made it $150 preflop; villain called flop and turn without looking at his hand, then looked after the river hit before making the call with top pair.)

Anyway. In this hand I’m UTG with JJ and he’s on the button. I limp for $2, a couple call, Villain makes it $50 on the button without viewing his hand (as expected), blinds fold, I make it $150, everyone folds but Villain who calls. I’ve seen no sign he’s viewed his hand yet.

Flop: Q72

I bet $100 he calls. Still hasn’t looked at his hand, that I’ve seen.

Turn: K

I bet $100, he calls again. He still hasn’t seen his hand.

River: Q

My questions for you:

1. Was I right to bet the turn?
2. What is the right play on the river?

Thank you. My first time playing live in several years!
Usually I hate open limping preflop, but when it's done as a good exploit, then it's good. This is good. Not only do you trap, but you get a few bozos who aren't paying attention to deposit a dead blind.

Given that you're 71% against two random cards, yes absolutely you should bet turn.

River is a bit tricky because we are 77.5% against random, but he isn't calling with random and he could raise us as a bluff. Really depends if he's looking people up here with A hi. If not, we're actually a flip against his pairs and better (so 32 or better). If we could discount a K or Q, we could value bet, but we can't really.
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08-06-2019 , 03:33 PM
Seems fine vs a random hand. You're gonna lose sometimes but I think checking river is the right play unless V is going to call you down with worse, which seems unlikely given how you played the hand and Q/K on board with your range being pretty strong. You're literally at or near the bottom of your range with JJ here given your line. It would really suck to bet $100, get raised, and be forced to call since V can have anything but likely only raises a K or Q
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08-06-2019 , 04:03 PM
Sounds like a super gambooly drunk, whale, station. But is he also putting in huge bluffs? Wouldn't we value bet here with a K or Q? Doesn't checking river induce a lot? After betting $350 we have less than a PSB OTR. If V sees the check as weakness and jams how can we call? If we bet $100 again and get jammed on I think it makes it harder for V to bluff and easier for us to fold. In the A7 hand he just called with top pair but if the river would have checked to him he probably bets for value. Let's aim for that same outcome here with Kx. So he should only be calling Kx and raising Qx and folding air. I'd hate to induce here OOP for stacks.
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08-06-2019 , 04:38 PM
This is a limit hand, people. He’s getting 8:1 on a river call and we have 77% equity against his river range. He has to fold more than 35% of the time before our river bet has less than 50% equity when called.
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08-06-2019 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
This is a limit hand, people. He’s getting 8:1 on a river call and we have 77% equity against his river range. He has to fold more than 35% of the time before our river bet has less than 50% equity when called.
Forgot it was spread limit. No need to bet river. x/c is fine. wp
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08-06-2019 , 05:52 PM
Assuming you're confident he hasn't viewed his hand, you're way ahead of his range at this point, and the turn bet was absolutely correct. For the river, I'd check/call, since it seems likely he'll look at his cards before then and only call another 100 with a Q or K. That said, he could easily try to bluff at the river, so I'm not going anywhere considering the odds.
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08-06-2019 , 08:58 PM
The fact that he has not looked at his hand after two max bets on flop and turn would lead me to believe he looked at his hand before. Almost everytime somebody plays a hand blind pre they will look when put under pressure post. Just saying.
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08-06-2019 , 09:09 PM
We are 77.52-22.47 favorites on the river vs a random hand.....act accordingly
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08-06-2019 , 09:12 PM
sorry OTT we are 71.03-28.98...so bet and bet river, if he bets into you...ca.
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08-07-2019 , 09:22 AM
Only way I check this river is if I think I can get a x/r in.
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08-07-2019 , 01:39 PM
Just wanted to show the results:

I did in fact check the river (intending to call a $100 bet, of course). Action went to Villain, he finally looked at his hand, frowned, and checked back. I table and My Hand Is Good (he mucks, doesn’t show).

My thought process on the river was: there is almost zero chance he will fold a better hand, and almost zero chance he will call with a worse hand, so therefore betting can’t do anything valuable. Is that solid thinking, or results-oriented?
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