Hero's has 150 (30bb,just lost a big pot)
Villain has 900

Villain opens utg for 20
Hero flats with pocket jacks in middle to early position
and three other people call

Villain is a strong solid regular, he played abc poker including opening very tight from early position

Flop comes 664 with two clubs
Villain c bets 45 into a pot of 87
Hero times and folds, Villain get one caller and it is check downed and Villain shows 99 and scoops the pot

I had a strong read that the hero had a pocket pair, His range looked like 99+
I though the Villain respecting my game and would fold his 99 and 10 hands if I shoved and call with jj+

I do think this is an extremely bad nitty fold and I probably should of just shove all in on the flop or at least call and re-evaluate the turn,

Please Let me know what you guys think

didn't read pst utg opens for 20.

But why are we not shoving?

we only have 30bb's

First mistake in this hand may be not shoving pre but who says you have to jam? And you just lost a big pot , it's a perfect spot if you jam because it looks tilty.
Otherwise I might flat if there's a fish in the pot.
Flop play could be a jam , there's a ton of turn cards that can kill the action.
Where as flatting could make your range look stronger and showdown bound.
I like a jam on the flop

Ideally we are 3betting PF.

As played is a great flop to shove as the short stack.

Folding is criminal.

top off to at least 100 bigs or walk to the cashier

If you JUST lost the big pot I'm shoving pf here every time.

If not then shoving pretty much every single flop.

Shove or reraise pre for sure. Obvious shove on that flop.

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First thing is to reload.

If you're not going to reload, JJ is a great hand and you want to 3bet, get it in. Especially with this flop.

Fold pre

Fold pre > raise to 55 > jam >>>>>>>>>>> flatting

Flatting with JJ pre with only 30bb is bad, just bad

I think you should have shoved pre. If not then to fold on a 664 board is terrible. If you thought you had a read that strong fold pre, otherwise it seams you were only calling to hit a set which is obviously bad giving our stack.

Or shove flop

What is shoving pre supposed to get value from? Are you guys expecting him to call with 99 and TT?

Well that's possible. Or even if he has like aq ak he's calling some of the time. I think the point I'm try to make with only 30 bbs left jj is a very strong hand, we also get folds and chip up when he does fold. I just think folding jj here is far to nitty at this stage.

Against a random, I'm raising. Given that he was described as "opening very tight in early position," I'm folding. Of course, OP was obviously wrong about that given that he had 99, which puts him as "kinda tight" at most. Given a range of 99+, AK, AQs, we are close to flipping, but we can only fold out worse and should fold.

Of course, it's not something people here should worry about much unless they play vs lots of straddles or blind raisers.

dude. this was not good. this flop is good for JJ. get your money in. At least call and let someone spazz behind you or the villain could double barrel AK on the turn if your lucky. but why the hell are we calling w JJ so we can fold the 466 flop?

Also, getting it in pre is good. Value from 99 and TT yes. Also, possible to take it down right there if Villain opened AQ or got frisky w a speculative hand

yes

hero is going to look super tilted with a jam. you can reasonably expect calls from like 88-TT/AK-AJ when its only 30bb

That doesn't happen in the 2/5 games where I play in Florida. If you know where that can be reasonably expected, I'd like to move there.

I think if you lose a big hand and then just jam the very next one with whatever small amount is left of your stack, it looks like you're tilted and just ready to go home. I'm sure you'd get called pretty light in Florida in this scenario if you're playing in a non-nitty game.

There's enough dead money in the pot where getting called by only TT+, AJ+ is profitable. I think that's reasonable and we can even expect to get called wider.

Maybe for 10bb. Not for 30bb. And that's ignoring that AJ isn't even in raiser's range.