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Old 08-18-2016, 04:31 PM   #1
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Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

This was in an uncapped 2/5 game, I had around 2k, Villian easily had me covered.

Villain had been raise a lot of pots to 25 or 30 or so although he was mixing it up enough that he probably had a hand most of the time. I limped and he comes in for his usually raise. I repop to $75 or so. (I had repopped a few players here there over the past few hours, but not that often.)

Flop comes J/10/2 rainbow, and I bet out 100, he smoothcalls. Turn was a brick I think a 3 or something. Same thing I bet around 150 this time, he smoothcalls. River comes a Q. Seems a pretty bad card for me. I was tempted to bet out like 250 or so, but felt it might be burning money. Didn't know his play well enough to know if he might have chased me down with AK, but 9/8, QJ or a set of something felt more likely.

I checked, he bet out like 650. I tanked for quite awhile, because he seemed capable of bluffing, but I'd only seen him do it for 200 or 300 previously. If he had been calling me down with AQ, the bet seemed weird, and I still had 1500 behind or so, so if it was a big bluff why not go all in?

In the end I don't hate my fold, if be bluffed me it was a good bet on a tough board, but I'm more curious if my river check was the problem.
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Old 08-18-2016, 04:44 PM   #2
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

Limp reraising AA this deep seems like a recipe for getting blown off the best hand. You are really narrowly defining your range with a lot of action left.
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Old 08-18-2016, 04:50 PM   #3
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

Yeah could've played the hand differently preflop including reraising more, but what do you think of check on the river?
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Old 08-18-2016, 04:50 PM   #4
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

Turn bigger pot is 350. Bet/fold 250, if he called, River bet/fold 450


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Old 08-18-2016, 05:02 PM   #5
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

You're right turn bet was too weak. Still the river 450 seems a lot. Is he really betting KQ or AQ in position? Floating the whole way seems unlikely to me.
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:08 PM   #6
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

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You're right turn bet was too weak. Still the river 450 seems a lot. Is he really betting KQ or AQ in position? Floating the whole way seems unlikely to me.

I'm suggesting you to bet 450 and fold to his raise.

If he called turn, pot is 850. 450 is just a 1/2 pot bet. You can get looked up by worse. By checking the river, you lose value from AJ, KJ, KK, KQ as those hands might check the river.

AP, probably fold. But it was a mistake to check River


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Old 08-18-2016, 05:21 PM   #7
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

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Turn bigger pot is 350. Bet/fold 250, if he called, River bet/fold 450


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Basically this. As played, I agree with your fold. His bet is pretty polarizing. But most people don't bluff often enough to require you to make hero calls in these spots.
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:25 PM   #8
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

would be fun to lead 550 repping AK and still scoop after he calls with AJs
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Old 08-18-2016, 06:11 PM   #9
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

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Limp reraising AA this deep seems like a recipe for getting blown off the best hand. You are really narrowly defining your range with a lot of action left.
Yea or go broke - pretty messy line, not reasonable to get 3 streets on JTx.. Look for 1-2 and get to SD
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Old 08-18-2016, 06:47 PM   #10
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

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Yeah could've played the hand differently preflop including reraising more, but what do you think of check on the river?
I think we look pretty capped after betting < 1/2 pot on the turn and checking that river. So his full pot sizing seems pretty bizarre for value. How has he sized his bluffs in the past? Without any reads it's hard to do anything here.

I don't really know how to assess your river check because I'm almost always check/calling that turn this deep because:
1. I want to get to showdown with AA on this board
2. I don't think I can get 3 streets of value

On this specific runout, I might just check call that river as well.
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:50 PM   #11
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

Some players will bluff when checked to. Very few will bluff raise the river when bet into. Especially a third barrel. Bet fold is your friend.
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Old 08-19-2016, 08:43 PM   #12
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

i think the hand was played ok, except for the limp reraise.


You got a horrible board and are OOP deep. He probably bluffed you, but it's too expensive to look him up. So many hands he could have beat you.
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Old 08-20-2016, 01:52 AM   #13
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

Agree to limp-reraise bigger in order to not give your opponents such good implied odds to set mine.

It's funny that pretty much every board for AA is bad unless an A comes or the board runout is 96632

Because of this, I would go for a check-raise on the flop to protect my hand against bad runouts and to get value from KK, QQ, AJ, AK, KQ, AQ. I think we have to be willing to play for stacks on the flop against this V if we are just going to end up folding to him on large river bets. If he hit JJ or 1010, so be it, we will make more money from this player in the long run if he calls our limp re-raises with those specific hands.

If the flop checks through, its not a disaster since we aren't looking to value for 3 streets anyway. If the turn throws a brick we can lead out comfortably. If a broadway card hits we can c/c the turn and c/evaluate rivers.

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Old 08-20-2016, 02:11 AM   #14
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Re: Pocket aces on the river with a tough board

Why don't repop it to $250? or even $300?. repoping only 2x his bet is very weak play because it accomplishes absolutely nothing. Make it 15% of eff stack to the minimum if you want to play AA all the way to the river if the board is not super scary on the flop. At the 2K effective I would have 3bet at least $300 or even more just to make it really disgusting and vomiting for him.

When you 3bet to $75 with 2K effective you are gambling with your overpair. Your $75 is jusy 4% of effective and he's getting odds to set mine. Actually he's getting all sorts of odds to outflop you. He knows you got a premium pair (limp + 3bet is AA)

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