Utg raises to 3.5bb and 4 players call. How much do you 3-bet here?

You're missing an incredibly important piece of information.

Git'sprobablythe#1factortotakeintoconsiderationone verysingleplay,imoG

I've never seen this before in my game. An UTG raiser does not get that many callers without a 3b. I would want to get rid of as many callers as possible to isolate any premium hands that I can easily range otf. If I'm deep enough(100bb), I'm raising to 30-35bb and ready to shove on the flop. Depending on the table, I'm basing my bet on the assumption I'm trying to get one to two callers and get big value.

I have NO IDEA exactly how I would play this, so my play could be terrible. I'm more interested to see what other players would do here.

shove.maybe could look like a steal and, one of the callers, if the OR has nothing real good could call with is pocket 88+,AQ-AK.Mostly depends on your table image.if it is wild ,it should work very well.if it is tight, raise 22-25BB

Sorry, I should have mentioned that this was my 3rd hand in a 1/2 table that had just opened. Didn't know anyone and nobody knew me.

As it turns out, I raised to 15bb and everyone folded.

You might also want to give some hints as to the number and type of the little round disc like things every player has sitting in front of them. Some people are weirdly curious about that and find it important.

Nh.

+1

Gthisdecideseverything,imoG

Are you sure you've played more than a few hours live?

In a 1-2 game if UTG raises to $7 you'll see it going 5/6 ways a lot of the time. Most people don't have any clue about position (we can include most UTG raisers if they're only making it $7).

You need to let us know stack sizes at the very least. If everyone only has 10bb I'm shoving, if everyone has 500bb I'm making it 25-30bb or something.

Sorry...

There were 10 players on the table and because it had just opened, each player had ~75bb (it's the max buy-in).

Ok, so in terms of my 1/3 NL game that means stacks are a fairly short $225, the EP raise is to $10.5 (which is lol, the 4 calls would be totally standard at my table), and there's around $55 in the middle. (ha, I have troubles dealing with bbs for some reason)

Against total unknowns early in a session, there's some argument for shoving (HOC would make that argument). I'd probably lean to something like $50 (easily preventing setmining odds), and in this case something slightly larger so that we can just PSB shove the flop HU (making it look like a whiffed AK) so perhaps $60.

GcluelessNLnoobG

20bb, sets up a nice 20bb on the flop and shove the turn

I like your logic here, thanks.

Btw, can I ask why you end each post with G[sometexthere]G? And are you saying that I am a clueless NL noob (which I essentially am, but it seems a little uncalled for to say it lol).

So in terms I would use, you're playing 1/2, everyone is about $150 deep, UTG raised to $7 and got 4 callers. My normal raise size here would be almost $50 (Initial raise * (3+number of callers)). However, we're playing a relatively small stack, we're on the button and we obviously have a premium, so I go smaller. Raise to $30. If you get one caller, there's $95 in the middle and $120 back. Bet $50 on all flops and shove all turns. If you get more than one caller you can just shove all flops.

This is too large IMO. If we go $30 we're easily preventing set mining odds too. Our hand is so strong, and stacks are so short that any 3-bet commits us, that we can easily play it over two streets and gii on turn.

I don't hate shoving though for the reason you stated, it looks like a steal.

I'm always referring to myself when I use that signature.

GthemorehoursIplay,thelessIseemtoknowG

Looks like $55 or so already in the pot, plus our $225, so the first guy wagering a call is getting about 14:1 IO, which ain't bad considering we'll never be able to fold postflop. Also, pretty sure if an EP guy calls the $30, we'll be going 5ways to the flop where everyone got 20+ IO to stack us.

Course, I'll admit I'm on the more conservative side, so if you want to offer better IO that's fine too, although I'd argue a raise to $30 is way too good.

ETA: Even in the worst case scenario of everyone folding and dragging $55 uncontested isn't the end of the world. I'm not exactly sure what AA makes on average, but I'd guess $55/hand wouldn't be horrendous.

Gclueless3bettingnoobG

Sorry, I was misreading your sizing because you're basin it on 1/3. With raise sizes like 3.5BBs I was assuming this was a 1/2 game, rather than a 1/3 game, because in the former the raise sizing is $7 and in the latter it's $10.50. So, my $30 was assuming 1/2, and in 1/3 that would be $45 which is close but still a little smaller than your sizing.

Carry on...

Yup, pretty sure I've played more than a few hours. My game is much more tight-aggressive, so there would be a 3bet before it got to the point of four callers. The standard raise in my game ranges from 3x to 5x, so 3.5x wouldn't be abnormal. An UTG raise followed by a call is not going to get two more callers before the button, it just doesn't happen. Everyone is fully aware that after the raise is called once, the odds of calling and seeing a flop for 3.5bb is very low. After two calls, it is virtually zero. After three calls eyebrows are raised and somebody is likely getting cute slow-playing AA. Four calls is Twilight Zone time.

Somebody will wake up with a hand or 3bet light before it gets to 5 handed before the button and blinds even have a chance to act. Just happens to be my table dynamic. About half of the players have at least a decent understanding of position, with some of us being pretty good, long-time players.

Yeah, I promise you that this is incredibly (like, unbelievably) unusual for a live low stakes NLHE game, either casino or home game.

A 3.5bb raise in a casino is lol, that's basically a limp. Minimum raises to achieve what you want them to start at 5bb.

Yeah, stakes really matter here, but in the lowest of the low live games, a lol 3.5x = a limp and thus 4+ callers would be 100% standard, imo.

GatleastinmyexperienceG

Could this be a product of the same people playing together for so long? I have noticed new players will say (almost complain) that they never get to see flops. I don't think we're a particularly aggressive group of players, but I don't have a frame of reference.