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10-14-2017 , 12:26 PM
$1/$3

-Hero UTG+1 has 9❤️9♣️ Raises to $10
-Folds to villain in Button who raises to $110 (has another $100 behind) Seemed like a tight player but the hand before he lost $150+ on an all in pre flop.
- Everyone folds, Hero? (Hero has $275 behind)

Also of note the 9♦️ Was exposed and was dead.

Is this an all in vs someone tilting with small PP, possibly Ax. Or do we fold to this unusual raise.
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10-14-2017 , 12:35 PM
Snap fold
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10-14-2017 , 12:53 PM
Easy snap fold...though what did he lose with in previous hand?


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10-14-2017 , 01:15 PM
Snap fold even if the 9d hadn't been exposed. You're never way ahead here. You're hoping to be in a flip w two overs and there's no real dead money.
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10-14-2017 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 100thMeridian
Easy snap fold...though what did he lose with in previous hand?


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He mucked lost to A3 with a 3 hitting on flop. Board was 2, 3, 7, 8, 5
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10-14-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Snap fold even if the 9d hadn't been exposed. You're never way ahead here. You're hoping to be in a flip w two overs and there's no real dead money.
Won't villain often have a pocket pair here? Pocket 6s-Js possibly. Just looking to flip to get his money back?
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10-14-2017 , 02:13 PM
Wait, what? Was the 9 exposed before or after you raised to $10?
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10-14-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HawkesDave
Wait, what? Was the 9 exposed before or after you raised to $10?
After. Does the 9 being exposed really matter in terms of the decision here? If he's ahead we go from a 2 outer to a one outer. If he's behind we have him crushed. Or were flipping.

Another thing to mention is this table was running it twice on every all in. Does that change our decision making at all?
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10-14-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Brogias
He mucked lost to A3 with a 3 hitting on flop. Board was 2, 3, 7, 8, 5


How did that hand play out?


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10-14-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 100thMeridian
How did that hand play out?


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They got it in pre.
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10-14-2017 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Brogias
After. Does the 9 being exposed really matter in terms of the decision here? If he's ahead we go from a 2 outer to a one outer. If he's behind we have him crushed. Or were flipping.

Another thing to mention is this table was running it twice on every all in. Does that change our decision making at all?
It makes a huge difference. If the 9 was exposed before you acted I would have just folded this hand. Now that you're in, you're taking a huge equity hit against his range after knowing a 9 is gone.

99 vs. {JJ+, AK} is 33% without the 9 exposed, 27% with the 9 exposed.

I'd fold without the 9 exposed anyway. He's likely just acting like he's on tilt trying to get more action with a big hand. I see this all the time.

Running it once vs. twice never affects our decision.
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10-14-2017 , 02:48 PM
The third part is good point I hadn't considered. Just seems unlikely QQ+ does this but you make a good argument for it.
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10-15-2017 , 07:46 AM
Easy fold. He most likely will jam the other $100 on the flop. Id put him on 10s +. You willing to risk 9s knowing you only have one out?

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10-15-2017 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Brogias
Won't villain often have a pocket pair here? Pocket 6s-Js possibly. Just looking to flip to get his money back?
IME people rarely 3-bet pocket pairs worse than 9s. The previous hand doesn't tell us much because he could've easily had AK/AQ and gotten sucked out on.
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10-15-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brogias
$1/$3

-Hero UTG+1 has 9❤️9♣️ Raises to $10
-Folds to villain in Button who raises to $110 (has another $100 behind) Seemed like a tight player but the hand before he lost $150+ on an all in pre flop.
- Everyone folds, Hero? (Hero has $275 behind)

Also of note the 9♦️ Was exposed and was dead.

Is this an all in vs someone tilting with small PP, possibly Ax. Or do we fold to this unusual raise.
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If the 9 was exposed before I opened, I would have folded.
If not, I am a TIGHT player in EP & if I've been there long enough for people to realize it, or, am at my regular table where people know me, I am betting enough to give them pause.
$18 usually does the trick, getting it down to 1 maybe 2 Vs. Sometimes the table dynamic is such that it is an auto-muck.

When I do bet & get 2 callers & flop is K75, I can bet 60% pot & get 2 folds. If not, it's one & done, but I'd also check turn with AK on a non-threatening turn card.
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