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pocket 7's put myself in a tough spot 1/2 NL pocket 7's put myself in a tough spot 1/2 NL

10-17-2014 , 08:39 PM
1/2 nl
hero mostly TAG, occasionally LAG image is solid (500) button with 7♢7♧
VI and V2 not relevant to the hand
V3 First time I have played with him, he seems to play draws passive and strong hands aggressive, however he has been caught bluffing missed draws a few times (200) mp

Limped to V3 raises to 10
hero calls other V's call

Flop 10♤3♤10♢ (40)
Checked to hero who bets 25
folded to V3 who calls

At this point I feel he is likely on a flush draw, maybe a ten but I think he would raise a ten in fear of the flush hitting

Turn 9♧(90)
V3 checks
Hero bets 50
V3 quickly calls, now I feel he is clearly on spades or he would have raised, he could be full but unlikely

River J♡ (190)
V3 goes all in for 115
hero? Still think he might have missed the flush so I feel he has A♤J♤, K♤J♤, K♤Q♤ or missed and is bluffing, thoughts?
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10-17-2014 , 09:11 PM
I don't get why combos of AA, KK, QQ, or JJ aren't in your mind.
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10-17-2014 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chendawg
I don't get why combos of AA, KK, QQ, or JJ aren't in your mind.
From how he was playing I think he would have raised the flop with those cards of course they are a possibility but not likely he was very protective against draws
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10-17-2014 , 09:22 PM
Well, a high paired board would turn high pocket pairs into bluff catchers. I would think that he's trying to get to showdown here with a high pocket pair. I don't think AJ or KJ would shove river for value here unless you guys have some real history, which you don't as you mentioned. I would expect to see straights and boats here with KQ or JJ a high percentage of time at 1/2.
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10-17-2014 , 09:37 PM
His line is still strong even though he checked 2 streets. If he was bluffing i doubt he would take a c/c line for 2 streets then decide to stuff the river. That being said not a lot of hands make sense to just shove for value on the river after you look interested by betting flop and turn. I still fold though, as mentioned he could be spazz shoving an over pair here plus our reads are a bit limited.

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10-17-2014 , 10:07 PM
PF is standard.

It's hard to evaluate the flop bet because you gave us no indication of how V1 and V2 will play. They called the flop raise, they were far from irrelevant to the hand.

Check back the turn and try to get to showdown. You only get value from draws, its thinner than you think because they mostly have overcards to your 7s, and anything better that called the flop is almost never folding on that turn card. If he bluffs missed draws you may want to call down when the river bricks and he bets because you know he's capable of bluffing whiffed draws, and you have less than a PSB remaining.

You are getting 2.7-1 on the river, so you only need to be good 27% of the time. His value range includes basically boats (JJ and 99, maybe 33?), KQ if he's loose post, and slow played Tx (AT?). He reps very thin because I think most KQ are just folding that flop, and he may not raise pre with many hands with Ts or 33. He will have many busted draws in his range, and I call if off.

Last edited by stinkubus; 10-17-2014 at 10:08 PM. Reason: content; grammar
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10-17-2014 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
PF is standard.

It's hard to evaluate the flop bet because you gave us no indication of how V1 and V2 will play. They called the flop raise, they were far from irrelevant to the hand.

Check back the turn and try to get to showdown. You only get value from draws, its thinner than you think because they mostly have overcards to your 7s, and anything better that called the flop is almost never folding on that turn card. If he bluffs missed draws you may want to call down when the river bricks and he bets because you know he's capable of bluffing whiffed draws, and you have less than a PSB remaining.

You are getting 2.7-1 on the river, so you only need to be good 27% of the time. His value range includes basically boats (JJ and 99, maybe 33?), KQ if he's loose post, and slow played Tx (AT?). He reps very thin because I think most KQ are just folding that flop, and he may not raise pre with many hands with Ts or 33. He will have many busted draws in his range, and I call if off.
Thanks you explained my thinking better than I did but this is exactly how I perceived the hand
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10-18-2014 , 11:44 AM
I've said it many times, and I will repeat myself here, this line is almost always a strong hand. c/c, c/c, shove you will almost never be good here. Some players are capable of bluffing a draw like this, but in general, you're in bad shape. River is almost definitely a fold. Betting the turn is debatable, but I probably play it the same. If he played an overpair this way I would take note of it, but I don't expect to see one that often. V likely flopped a monster here and slowplayed it well.
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10-18-2014 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
I've said it many times, and I will repeat myself here, this line is almost always a strong hand. c/c, c/c, shove you will almost never be good here. Some players are capable of bluffing a draw like this, but in general, you're in bad shape. River is almost definitely a fold. Betting the turn is debatable, but I probably play it the same. If he played an overpair this way I would take note of it, but I don't expect to see one that often. V likely flopped a monster here and slowplayed it well.
In most cases I believe your correct, I am going to wait a little longer before I post the results but for now I will say this, I did call and the Villain certainly did not flop a monster
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10-18-2014 , 03:27 PM
The way I read it I think something that he back doored makes a lot of sense. Flopped spades and ran out a straight with something like KQs, 78ss, Q8ss especially when you said he snapped on the nine it seems like he realized he gained four more outs.
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10-18-2014 , 03:29 PM
Also the hands he has that beat you at the end make up a larger range than possible bluffs. At best you're hoping to catch what, AQ/AKss?
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