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12-11-2019 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Confirmed: Poker will never die.

People can have all the tools in the world and they always find a way to misinterpret them.

Lots of preflop charts are suspect in the first place but even if you follow someones chart religiously that says to raise T9s from any position (Id throw that chart away), I doubt it says to raise to 7.5X.

Calling the 3 bet of that size with this stack size is complete spew.
This exactly. And FWIW, I rarely agree completely with Mike's strat, so this is definitely not some "all these guys just follow the same old nit playbook" response.

Maniacs instead of LAGs makes the line worse, not better.
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12-11-2019 , 02:39 AM
Don’t argue with hero. Tell him that the ABC players infesting 2+2 were unable to counter his valid arguments and that you are going to give more credibility to his moves in the future.
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12-11-2019 , 02:44 AM
Grunch

Pre: With two big LAGs behind and only 100 bb deep I'm rarely opening T9s and I'm never calling off a quarter of my stack with it to see a flop oop with no initiative.

Flop: another missed fold opportunity.

Every action is pretty bad.
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12-11-2019 , 03:17 AM
Hero is not a deep thinker. Why is shoving Thi into a maniac good? A maniac will call off so light there. The board is paired, maniacs aren't scared of trips on paired boards they think no one has anything.

Also taking this to the second level, Spyu called it right away: open shoving this flop looks so fishy.
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12-11-2019 , 03:23 AM
I think it’s admirable of you to try to educate your opponents by critiquing their play and introducing them to poker forums. Keep up the good work.
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12-11-2019 , 03:59 AM
I’m with MikeStarr and WJ94.
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12-11-2019 , 03:16 PM
His response..

Limp?

“Limp LOL ...Loooool” you don’t limp.”

Small raise preflop?

“What raise 5 dollars that’s horrible.. “

Then he goes on to insult me as expected and calls me a nit. He says he won more than me the pst two months and I should just shut up.

What about these players agreeing with me?

He says that they just don’t understand our game. He names V1 and V2 and describes their history. I say there is no issue with calling a small preflop raise with position with 10-9. I doubt that’s what they are saying here. It’s raise and call a big reraise without a deeper stack. Out of position.

Gets mad and tells me I’m a nit again.
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12-11-2019 , 04:02 PM
It must be nice to know everything.
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12-11-2019 , 04:09 PM
This guy doesn’t understand poker as well as he thinks he does. This makes him similar to 99% of poker players, myself and likely many on this forum included. Why do you care so much what this guy thinks?
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12-11-2019 , 04:42 PM
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Yeah is this guy a friend of yours or just some poker acquaintance? I never ever argue with people in the casino about how they or I should have played a hand better. Why educate our opponents?

I’m also not going to bother educating a friend who doesn’t want to learn.

The only place I argue about poker is here and with a friend whose opinion I actually care about, because I might learn something. Everyone else can go and get good on their own.
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12-11-2019 , 04:49 PM
Yeah arguing strategy at the table is like really bad on so many levels.

Whenever someone makes a comment like how a hand should've played, I just nod like I learned something.

Someone will say, "You know that call was so bad because blah blah blah."

I just go, "Interesting I never thought of it that way. Thanks for the tip!"

Like in a really sincere way. Funny enough that shuts them up more than anything.
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12-11-2019 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro
Thanks for all the responses and thanks to Garrick for the edit:

As you probably guessed I was not the Hero in this scenario but I criticized his play. He told me to go back to my ABC nit poker and see how far I go.

Here's how he explained it:

He reaised to 15 preflop with 10-9 suited and showed me a chart that showed 10-9 suited is hand to open with a raise with from any position. I saw his chart and confirmed it.
Generally speaking opening T9s type hands is fine a a part of a balanced opening strategy. It gives you board coverage when the flop comes with all middling cards and makes for a nice surprise for villains "putting you on AK" from up front thinking you whiffed those sorts of flops. If you open JTs, T9s and 98s up front that's 0.9% of all hands and it can be worthwhile.

However, raising 7.5x with these hands is nuts, and calling 30% of your stack OOP with virtually anything other than the best premiums is insanity.

Now if you have two three bet monkeys behind you skew your opening range OOP to value only and open the SC's where you think a 3! is highly unlikely.
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12-11-2019 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Yeah arguing strategy at the table is like really bad on so many levels.

Whenever someone makes a comment like how a hand should've played, I just nod like I learned something.

Someone will say, "You know that call was so bad because blah blah blah."

I just go, "Interesting I never thought of it that way. Thanks for the tip!"

Like in a really sincere way. Funny enough that shuts them up more than anything.
You don't ask them for an autographed copy of their book? :-)
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12-11-2019 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
You don't ask them for an autographed copy of their book? :-)
If they have one sure hahaha
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12-11-2019 , 05:05 PM
I love it when 1/2 players give advice

(Talking about your friend)
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12-11-2019 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Yeah arguing strategy at the table is like really bad on so many levels.

Whenever someone makes a comment like how a hand should've played, I just nod like I learned something.

Someone will say, "You know that call was so bad because blah blah blah."

I just go, "Interesting I never thought of it that way. Thanks for the tip!"

Like in a really sincere way. Funny enough that shuts them up more than anything.
I’d find it hard to say something so cheesy w/out sounding really sarcastic
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12-11-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
I’d find it hard to say something so cheesy w/out sounding really sarcastic
Harder to convey in text, but I think I do a pretty good job in coming across normally.

I definitely don't over do it. I just kind of nod in agreement to whatever they say.
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12-11-2019 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Harder to convey in text, but I think I do a pretty good job in coming across normally.

I definitely don't over do it. I just kind of nod in agreement to whatever they say.
Yeah I think that’s smart. The other day this whale spent 5 minutes trying to convince the table why shoving $800 into $150 OTF on a monotone board with the nut flush was a good idea.

His logic was that a turn diamond would kill his action and that shoving was his only option. I don’t think he realized that 85% of the time the turn won’t be a diamond but it’s great that he was able to articulate to the table how well he understood the concept of action killing cards

Lame story ik
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12-12-2019 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
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Yeah is this guy a friend of yours or just some poker acquaintance? I never ever argue with people in the casino about how they or I should have played a hand better. Why educate our opponents?

I’m also not going to bother educating a friend who doesn’t want to learn.

The only place I argue about poker is here and with a friend whose opinion I actually care about, because I might learn something. Everyone else can go and get good on their own.
He's a friend at work. So I know him in real life. We have a bit of a friendly rivalry going. He does think he's the best poker player on earth. As you can tell he's somewhat arrogant. If I give him advice, he's always like "Shut up Nit" or "let's play heads up".

Claims he has earned 5K in the past 2 months playing 1-2 NL in roughly 50 hours of play, Giving him a 50BB win rate. If it's true it's way better than me. I admit I have seen him win some very nice stacks before. However, the table he plays on contains multiple maniacs and donkeys. He would never have this win rate at a Casino.
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12-12-2019 , 03:31 PM
Well my advice FWIW is don't bother correcting his play if he's a) 100% sure that he's best thing since sliced bread and b) doesn't respect your opinion. If you want to maintain the friendly rivalry banter I would stick strictly to needling him e.g. 'You remember that time you jammed T-high into a maniac who was never folding? What did he have again? Oh yeah that's right trips. Well played though.'
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