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Please check my math on my horrible call Please check my math on my horrible call

04-16-2017 , 04:56 PM
I let the lure of two pair with flush draw get the best of me. Built my stack from$500 to $850

2/5 live home game
Effective stacks $500
Villain solid nit

J8c BB. limped 4 way. Pot $20
Flop AJ9cc. I bet 15. 2 call. Pot $65
Turn 8h. I bet $50. Co shoves $425 more to me
Pot $165+425= $590

I call knowing I'm behind

425/1115=38%

Villain turned straight with QT

13 outs to improve. 2-J, 2-8, 9c. 26% to win

Thanks

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04-16-2017 , 05:12 PM
Pretty good estimate of your equity using the "rule of 2 and 4." Your actual equity depends on if he has a club or not, and is between 27-29.5% equity.

Your equity required is all wrong, though, so it's a worse call than you thought. Flop pot is $50 if two called. Let's assume you meant 3 called and it really is $65. Now you bet $50, CO's $50 makes the pot $165, and he shoves for $425 more. There is $590 in the pot, as you said, but if you call another $425 only makes $1015, not $1115. $425 is 41.9% of $1015, making your equity gap, at best 12.4%. Pretty horrible call indeed.
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04-16-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Pretty good estimate of your equity using the "rule of 2 and 4." Your actual equity depends on if he has a club or not, and is between 27-29.5% equity.

Your equity required is all wrong, though, so it's a worse call than you thought. Flop pot is $50 if two called. Let's assume you meant 3 called and it really is $65. Now you bet $50, CO's $50 makes the pot $165, and he shoves for $425 more. There is $590 in the pot, as you said, but if you call another $425 only makes $1015, not $1115. $425 is 41.9% of $1015, making your equity gap, at best 12.4%. Pretty horrible call indeed.
Hero doesn't need anything close to 41.9% equity... A situation like that could only happen if villain raised over 2.5x pot.

Always remember that if there's a pot-sized bet, you're getting 2 to 1 and need 33%. If it's less than a pot-sized bet, you need less than 33% - if it's more than a pot sized bet, you need more than 33%. It's a good rule to use to make sure you're in the right general area.

EDIT - Villain did raise over 2.5x pot. Garick's post is right. I mis-read the action.

Last edited by pocketzeroes; 04-16-2017 at 05:32 PM.
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04-16-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pocketzeroes
You're required equity is wrong. You are paying 425 to win 1115, so you need 425/(1115 + 425) = 27.6%.

Assuming your outs are clean, you should use 13/47 = 27.6% equity that you actually have (47 unknown cards). Weird that the numbers are the same...

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EDIT... 1115 is wrong, as stated above... you need 425/(1015 + 425) = 29.5%
No. You are adding hero's $425 twice. Pot is $590 when it gets back to us. The correct math is 425/(590+425) or 425/1015, or 41.87%.
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04-16-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
No. You are adding hero's $425 twice. Pot is $590 when it gets back to us. The correct math is 425/(590+425) or 425/1015, or 41.87%.
Ugghh... you're right... getting all messed up looking at action wrong... My bad. (I was thinking there was 590 in pot before villain's raise)
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04-16-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Pretty good estimate of your equity using the "rule of 2 and 4." Your actual equity depends on if he has a club or not, and is between 27-29.5% equity.

Your equity required is all wrong, though, so it's a worse call than you thought. Flop pot is $50 if two called. Let's assume you meant 3 called and it really is $65. Now you bet $50, CO's $50 makes the pot $165, and he shoves for $425 more. There is $590 in the pot, as you said, but if you call another $425 only makes $1015, not $1115. $425 is 41.9% of $1015, making your equity gap, at best 12.4%. Pretty horrible call indeed.
Thanks for the correction. My outs were clean and yes the pot was $1015. So almost 42% to hit with 27%equity. Hopefully I won't tempted to make a call like that again. I admit making the call was influenced because I had $350 behind!

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04-16-2017 , 05:39 PM
Don't go broke in a limped pot. Your hand wasn't nearly as strong as the way you played it.
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