Been Having a 10 BI downswing and I think a large part of it is my play when flopping a set. I would appreciate advice on best lines for the following 2 hands:

Hand #1
H has 88 in mp and $235 behind at 1/2
V in lp has $200 behind
PF: H raises to $10, V and BB call
Flop: AdQd8c, H bets $15 into $30 pot, V raises to $35, BB folds, H calls
Turn: Ac, H bets $35, V shoves all in for $155, H shoves

Hand #2
H has 66 in lp and $300 behind at 1/2
V in Ep also has $300 behind
PF: V raise to $10, 1 mp call, H called
Flop: 6d8d9h V bets $20 into $30 pot, mp folds H raise to $80, V calls
Turn: 5c, V bets $100 into $200 pot, H call
River: 4h, V bets $32, H shoved last $90 into $430 pot

Hand #1 Chips going in no matter what and you are losing...Cooler.

Hand #2 I think you can fold the turn.

(haven't looked at spoiler):

Hand 1: The cbet needs to be larger. No one's folding an ace. No one's folding diamonds, or JT, and never AQ/A8. V helped us out by raising. We need to 3b and get value before the turn destroys our hand or our action. Yes, occasionally we make him fold a badly played Ax, but we're rarely getting more than 1 more bet out of Ax anyway. As played, bet/calling turn all day, but why is the bet so small?

Hand 2: We might as well just jam the turn if we only have $90 behind. (The flop raise leaves us with ~1 PSB going to the turn.) V is never folding an overpair, and he has so few 7s in his range. We lose to 77/88/99. If V is tight enough to not have much 7x in his pf range, and also to fold overpairs to the flop raise, then we can start considering ever not stacking off on this turn.

Edit: misread flop in hand 2; didn't notice flush draw. Ugh. Much worse spot against a loose V; it gives him a bunch more 7x. Still not sure I could ever fold with a PSB left.

without knowing reads hand 2 could have folded the turn when he lead out with 4 cards to a 4 straight on the board.

Hand 1 is a cooler but raise on the flop and cbet a little more on a wet flop.

so this is $600 of a $3000 downswing. Hand 2 could have hand read it a little better I think but this is just preliminary.

No reads?

Why not 3-bet the flop in hand 1? You're ahead there so often and just calling is a big mistake. Nobody 3-bet you pf so I'm not too worried yet about being up against AA and QQ.

Hand #1: Basically cooler. Only thing is the set of 8's is the worst of the sets. But no one would fault you on calling the turn there.

Hand #2: You're basically committed by the turn. The raise on the flop is good. But when he bets out at you, you have to trust your reads and your gut. You think he was drawing for the diamond? Up to you by that point, you're committing by calling that on the turn.

Grunch.

Hand one is all about villains raising range on the flop. Is he someone who has a tendency to raise with top pair type of hands or only 2 pair+. Of course here there's a bunch of draws too. Because of the draws gii on the turn. If it there wasn't a suit I would find a fold against the right villain.

Hand two ugh I hate when villain leads turn for 100. I think it's super player dependent. If your opponent isn't in the top 20% of tricky players in your pool you're probably supposed to fold. Not sure if I could find a fold there. In any case I wouldn't raise on the river.

Overall, and someone with more experience can correct me if I'm wrong but, I just doubt your set hands are the ones that need the most examination. I think downswings are often a consequence of entitlement (I finally got QQ+ .. this is my hand to win no matter what) and pre flop mistakes (remember ideally you want 15x odds with pocket pairs, 25x with suited connectors, 35x with one-gappers, etc.)

Have not looked at spoiler but my guess is H1 villain had aces full and hand 2 he had a straight.

Hand 1 - I am three betting the flop to 110 / calling a shove. The board is super wet and you want to get as much in now as you can.

Hand 2 - Flop raise is good. If we put him on a straight we have ten outs (22%) which means we'd need roughly 3.5 to 1 for direct odds. We have 3 to 1. That said, if we think we get another 100 on the river, when we get there I guess calling is fine. You should be folding the river though unless you have some reason to believe he is going for thin value with 2 pair. He basically gifted you 60 bucks on the river by betting 30 and you handed it right back over to him.

Not looking at the spoilers:

Hand 1: Well played. Money goes in. GG if it doesn't work out

Hand 2: I'm 100% folding the turn. No one bets into a flop raiser without a 7 and you're not getting the implied odds to hit your boat.

Agree w everyone else. It's very important to differentiate bad play (hand 2) from coolers (hand 1) so that you learn from them. The next step is to look at whether you go on tilt after losing and if that snowballs and causes your losses to be bigger than they should be. Getting advice is a good first step though so congrats on doing that.

Try to get it in on the flop in hand one before the board gets bad and costs you action. You want to gii vs draws before they miss abd gii vs Ax before the draws hit.

hand 2 fold turn readless. Its sick but you just have a bluff catcher vs population that doesnt bluff often

Grunch.
I find it hard to believe that a 10 BI downswing stems from misplaying sets.

Second hand, when the guy doesn't slow down when a 4-liner hits, your set isn't good. Flat if you're getting the IO to boat on the river.

Hand 1, at the end it's a cooler with the case 8 hitting the board. But people don't r/f flops. So I'd 3-bet otf and shove all turns.

Isn't that really nitty play if u only have 200 in 1/2? U can't call off anything

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On hand 1- the villain showed strength on the flop after you hit your set, why wouldnt you raise??? IF you plan on continuing with the hand then raise now while hes likely behind and not going to fold. As it turned out, you misplayed it and lost the maximum anyways, so just get it in while youre ahead and ignore the part where he hit an ace. the ace isnt coming often so get the money in with a set. This is all given no reads and low limits.

shove turn on hand 2

Posting in a bbv thread.

We're getting odds to call if the Villain's cards are face-up.

Yes, except for the silly river shove in hand 2.

I might fault hero if villain can be read as a guy who never raises the flop with AK or a draw.

You need to figure out what your real leaks are. Overplaying sets aren't. If you're not playing sets hard because you're afraid you'll get beat, you need to quit poker. It isn't your game.

I'm more likely to complain about not getting enough sets when I'm running badly.

I think sets can be a decent part of running bad. Set, straights, and flushes are usually the big pot winners for me. If they're not hitting, it's hard to be running good.

I recently had a stretch where I missed 28 consecutive tries of turning a PP into a set while set mining in pots that were raised pre. Then, I lost 3 out of 4 of the next ones I hit. PP/Sets alone accounted for 3-4 BIs.

I don't think OPs misplaying of sets is accounting for 10 BIs, but those are the hands where the bets and decisions tend to be the biggest.

Hand #1 was a 3 out cooler
Hand #2 was either $90 or $190 worth of spew

I think not 3-betting the flop in hand 1 could be a sign that the OP plays too passively in other spots with weaker hands.

Grunch

Hands don't matter. You flop set every 6-8hrs. Mistakes you make with sets will be a nominal part of your winrate. Hard to make huge mistakes with sets.

Look for other leaks.

10 buy in downswing happen. But most likely you have other leaks.