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11-06-2014 , 03:34 PM
$1/2 live game-9handed
Hero sits with $150 stack
Villain sits with $180 stack

Hero: limps mid position with 66
Villian: raises to $11 from Hijack
Hero: calls (everyone else folds, headsup)
Pot($25)

Flop - J 6 7 (2 clubs on board)
Hero: leads out $15 bet
Villian: takes about 5 secs and calls
Pot($55)

Turn- Q of clubs (3 clubs on board)
Hero: checks
Villian: bets $25
Hero: calls
Pot($105)

River- offsuit 9
Hero: Shoves for $99

Let me know how you think I should've played this hand. I might've taken a weird line. River shove ok?
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11-06-2014 , 04:04 PM
Fold pre to raise

I prefer to c/r flop depending on villain.

Why check the turn? Just keep betting.

As played I don't like river shove...what are we hoping to get called by? Overplaying our hand I think.
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11-06-2014 , 04:05 PM
Yes, weird line. Do you have any reads on Villain? Your river shove looks strong, but lets hope he thinks it's bluffy and calls with worse -- I'm just not sure what worse can call? (I assume you wanted a call, not a fold?) Heck, maybe he will fold better.

I would have just led the turn and been willing to get it in then. Might have bet a little more on the flop, too, but $15 is OK.
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11-06-2014 , 04:35 PM
Heads up OOP isn't really the best way to be wanting to play a PP esp with stacks that are a bit shorter. I'm not saying fold pre flop, but I'm saying that you're going to need more information on your villain the less that you have other advantages.

If you don't have a card advantage, don't have a position advantage, and have no given reads on our villain we really don't have a plan for the hand. We don't even know what this villain looks like.

Flopping a set it all well and good, but we don't know if this villain has a strong opening range so that we can get paid when we hit, or if we don't know that villain will barrel off with weak hands so that we can get paid, we are just sort of praying that we flop a set AND that our villain flops top pair, and the board doesn't run out such that he doesn't feel scared to get his stack in.
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11-06-2014 , 04:39 PM
Flop is fine. Bet 30-35 ott. Shove river.
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11-06-2014 , 04:52 PM
How tight is this villain preflop? How often does this villain cbet heads up? Is his $11 preflop a tell of any sort?

Pre is close. We need to call $9 more, and 9 x 15 is 135, meaning we have the stack depth to continue, especially considering that the pot is $16 meaning we only need to make $119. He could have priced us out, but didn't.

Post, I don't like your line at all. Definitely gets folds from worse and calls from better most of the time.

This board is really drawy (obvious straight, obvious flush) and we need to get as much in the middle as we can before the draws complete and kill our action/hand.

I'm check/raising this flop. Let's make it big and semi-bluffy. If he cbets $20, let's make it $70 to go. This also prices out his strong draws, which he may call (or even raise) with.

This line gets more from those whiffed overs ($20). We aren't targeting AK anyway, but this is a bonus.

We are targeting QQ+/JQ+. He will have a lot of trouble folding those hands with all the draws on the board. The way you played it, he can find folds with them. Yuck.

Shove all turns.

P.S. As a rule, I like check/raising sets on wet boards so that villains have an excuse to level themselves into bad calls. It works absurdly well at 1/2 and 1/3. It's my default line (against villains who dependably cbet.)
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11-06-2014 , 06:55 PM
Need to know more about villain to really speak intelligently about line.

Against an unknown, if I lead the flop, I am going bet/bet/shove.

15 is on the smallish side but okay. Bet/calling 40 OTT, Jam river.

As played you prob should have check/jammed turn - I don't even know what to do here with the line you've taken. My first instinct is that check call is the most EV. He is value betting everything better, some worse hands for value, i.e. AQ, JQ, KJ, KQ, and he sort of has to bet his air, i.e. AK w/ a club etc. Shoving seems to fold out all air, and some of his value range.

Just make it easier on yourself and c/r flop jam turn, or go bet/bet/bet.
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11-06-2014 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
have no given reads on our villain we really don't have a plan for the hand. We don't even know what this villain looks like.
And this is the biggest problem with the hand. You need to provide every piece of information you can to us, even if it doesn't seem like to you it matters. I don't accept you don't have any because he just sat down. You can observe in hand one:

Male/Female
Approx. Age
Well dressed or casual
Chips organized or sloppy
Can he cut out chips or has to count them out
Did he just look at his cards pf once and hasn't looked at them again.

There's lots more but this should give you an idea. If you don't have this information, you should pull the ear buds out of your ears and start paying attention to the game. It is costing you a fortune.
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11-06-2014 , 07:40 PM
Set mining HU is not a very profitable line in the long run unless you have other information on the V that will allow you to take down 'extra' pots depending on how the board comes out.

Not sure why you donk out here one bit ... V can fold out right there on you.

c/r is ok but I may hold off until Turn ... V dependent as we really can only 'hope' he has an overpair/flush draw here to call/shove into a c/r. 67 really doesnt do much for a PF raise I wouldn't think. You could c/min-raise if he thinks you want to build a pot for flush draw. Goal is to get stacks in by River, you need to know the flow of the table and V in order to determine what is the best line.

AP, checking the Turn is OK since Q is 'over' the J, but I would raise something here in order to make the shove on River a better number to call into ... not PSB.

AP, PSB shoves on Rivers get tons of folds at 1/2 ... bet less for value or hope he bets again. GL
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