1/2 been at table for 4 hours I'm sitting at about 550 and am in cut off.

2 limps To an OMC who was only calling with top pair top kicker or better. I have seen him limp ace king suited twice. raises to 25 with 150 behind

I look down at 2 red queens. I was planning on putting him all in but I was weary so I just call. Everyone else folds

Flop comes JJ6 rainbow. He leads out with an all in bet Does he ever do this with ace king? I thought probably not. Does he ever do this with pocket 10s because he doesn't want to see more cards?

Do you fold or call against this player type? Is this situation totally villain dependent? 50 in the pot and he bets 125. OMC types tend to confuse me at times

If this guy limps AK, what do you think he raised with? he's been there for four hours, has he raised yet?

He has raised but they never went to showdown. He called a 3 bet with jack king suited which had me really confused because of his other tendencies.

I guess my question really is if this situation is totally villain dependent or is it almost always a call against an unknown

Almost everything is villain dependent.

I think you might have to call and not be happy about it. He's obviously capable of doing some unorthodox things. You're getting 1.4:1. I doubt he has a jack with this line. He could be protecting his 10s or 9s. 12 combos of 9s and 10s, 12 of kings or aces and 1 of queens. That is a pretty narrow range. Maybe he's shoving to protect his hand and not see a turn card. Tough decision, I call.

This is very unlike an OMC. It might be just a temporary brainfreeze on his part, but it is just as likely he has just been clicking buttons.

As for the hand, we have pretty much the best hand we can ever have, V is seemingly capable of doing random things, and we are supposed to stack KK+ anyway. I call.

I dont mind the flat. When he shoves flop like that, highly doubt AK is in his range. I guess just fold. Initially I was thinking to 3-bet pre, but he has already put in 12.5bb with his raise, and he sounds like a nit, so i think you can flat and play post flop well against him(and seems accurate since he is likely just ripping it in with KK-AA on the flop lol).

just because he called a 3-bet with KJs(which is pretty standard in live), doesnt mean he is bluffing off his stack at random. its prob close-ish, but dont think villain is doing this with 99-TT often at all(think if he was thinking along the lines of (I Want to protect!), he could just pot it and not go all in. But if he has KK-AA, and wants to take down the pot, going all in seems more likely.

^it might not mean that he's gonna bluf his stack off, but it is a decent indication that he's overvalueing hands, which means we shouldn't be folding the top of our range to him.

OP, if you don't have a free program like Equilab, I suggest getting it and playing around with ranges.

If we *know* (I hate using that much certainty in LLSNL but w/e) that in this spot he's overlimping AKs, then his range is prob QQ+. We're 20%. If we think maybe it's late and he's spazzing (for an OMC) and has widened to QQ+/AK, our equity is up to 40% pre, but let's face it, idk how often he'll blast off on a bluff, meaning the money will only go in if we're behind unless we spike a set.

So essentially our QQ is setmining vs this guy, and we don't have a good price for that. If we have a reason to think the limpers will come along AND they're bad enough to stack off with a TP hand on a board with no A or K, then we might have enough overlay to make up for the fact that we're taking the worst of it vs OMC. But that's a lot of ifs. Way too many for me.

So the only way I'm calling pre is if OMC has been giving off multiple "I'm ready to go home" tells. Since you didn't describe any, it's a scrunched-face fold pre for me.

Speaking as an age peer of OMC.

OMC sees most hands as drawing hands. AK is a classic case. Unless you flop an ace or king, they aren't worth anything. He's seen plenty of times in his life where somebody with KJ has cracked aces. They're easy to play. If they hit, call. If they smack the flop hard, bet. Otherwise, just fold. He's not calculating EV.

Therefore, his raising range is super tight, but his calling range is fairly loose. If a hand is good enough to call one raise, it is good enough to call a 3bet. He wants to see that flop.

As such, QQ is just no good this shallow against his raising range. It is KK+. Easy fold. Just don't show anyone your hand.

If he's an OMC then i think you're up against AA. They despise getting bluffed with aces.

I folded. He showed kings. Would anyone ever advocate folding this pre flop? I don't think I've ever folded queens to a single raise no matter how nitty someone may be. The dealer joked that I should have folded pre flop since I wasn't getting set mining odds

Now I feel like an OMC, cuz kids and reading comprehension is hard. Speak up, sonny, I can't hear you!

We all get it. As Neeme would say, QQ is the 3rd best hand ever created. And to many of us, esp those who started online, it is next to impossible to imagine someone really has a VPIP/PFR like 30/2. But they're everywhere. (Heck, that's why we schlep to the casino.) Your guy, he gave you exact data (limping AKs..twice!) to let you know you were toast, pre.

I folded KK to a 4! a couple of weeks ago, and like Venice recommended, I'd lie all the way to my grave and say it was AK. The V was very courteous and showed me his rockets. Last night at 2/5, 160 BB deep, I cold 4! from BB and went bet flop/shove turn, everyone at the table once V called said "chop chop" since people 4 tables over knew I had aces, and there's no way someone should call with less. Thankfully, my V just didn't want to believe, and eyes got wide when she mucked.

Ranges really can be this narrow sometimes, though it can be an art to decipher when those times are.