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playing nut straight on paired turn 1/2 NL full ring playing nut straight on paired turn 1/2 NL full ring

10-10-2018 , 10:39 PM
V1: UTG-1 350BB tight, aggressive, plays well, seems to make +ev decisions overall, played with before. Hero stays away from him generally without premium hands

Hero: UTG-2 200 bb v1 knows hero is capable of bluffing, floating etc this session I was playing tight aggressive, lost some hands on sd to draws that caught up.

V2: dealer button overall fishy 100bb. Thinks top pair is "the nuts" hero stacked him earlier AA to q10s on a dry 10 x x board.

V3: fishy buys in all the time for 40 bb (the min) gets stacked rebuy 40 bb every time.

V1 raise 3bb
hero AQd contemplates 3! but decides to smooth call
button call
bb call

Flop: (23) Kd 10d Jh

V1: bet 18
Hero: calls figures the draw can only make my straight nuts the flush nuts
V2, and V3 both fold

Turn: (57) Ks

V1: checks
Hero: checks behind

River (57) 4s


v1: shoves
Hero: ?
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10-10-2018 , 10:46 PM
Let me get this straight, he shoves $680 into a $57 pot? (well, $380 effective, but w/e)

What happened to the read "plays well, seems to make +ev decisions overall" ?

PS: If I had to guess, he's maybe doing this to get you off a chop.

PPS: What would you do on the river if he checked to you?
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10-10-2018 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Let me get this straight, he shoves $680 into a $57 pot? (well, $380 effective, but w/e)

What happened to the read "plays well, seems to make +ev decisions overall" ?

PS: If I had to guess, he's maybe doing this to get you off a chop.

PPS: What would you do on the river if he checked to you?
yea weird right? not saying the guy is the best ive ever sat down with but everytime I do hes always sitting on a stack 4-500 bbs.

pps, not sure whats calling me that I can get value from and that I can beat, trip ks? its either a chop, or I lose to a house
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10-11-2018 , 01:08 AM
Prob just lol fold, he’s probably vast majority of the time doing this with a FH hoping you level yourself into a call. He tried trapping ott but you didnt go for it, and to make it like extra spazzy/bluffy he 6.5x pots it

Id 3b pre
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10-11-2018 , 01:11 AM
So you're $400 effective and villain just jammed $376 into a $57 pot on the river?

I'm actually just folding here, as nitty as it sounds. Firstly, we block a huge amount of his bluffs with both the Ad and with a Q in our hand. Secondly, his raise sizing pre looks weak and leans him more towards KJ/KT type hands, which make sense for him to play this way with. Thirdly, people don't generally jam 7x the pot on the river as a bluff, and I don't see why he'd bet so big with AK either, so he looks very boat heavy to me.
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10-11-2018 , 01:47 AM
You must raise this flop.

Tight V opens UTG+1 and cbets 75% pot on a wet board that smashes his range. He has zero bluffs here and is not folding the majority of hands in his range to a raise.

Despite what you say, there are plenty of bad or action killing cards for you on the turn: Any A, Q, 9, or diamond is going to dramatically slow V down, and the board pairing is disastrous given how many 2 pair or set combos V has.

Raise flop. As played, fold river.
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10-11-2018 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jarheads0331
V1: UTG-1 350BB tight, aggressive, plays well, seems to make +ev decisions overall, played with before. Hero stays away from him generally without premium hands



Hero: UTG-2 200 bb v1 knows hero is capable of bluffing, floating etc this session I was playing tight aggressive, lost some hands on sd to draws that caught up.



V2: dealer button overall fishy 100bb. Thinks top pair is "the nuts" hero stacked him earlier AA to q10s on a dry 10 x x board.



V3: fishy buys in all the time for 40 bb (the min) gets stacked rebuy 40 bb every time.



V1 raise 3bb

hero AQd contemplates 3! but decides to smooth call

button call

bb call



Flop: (23) Kd 10d Jh



V1: bet 18

Hero: calls figures the draw can only make my straight nuts the flush nuts

V2, and V3 both fold



Turn: (57) Ks



V1: checks

Hero: checks behind



River (57) 4s





v1: shoves

Hero: ?


I’m fine with just calling here PF. V1 has something, though puts in a weak raise. He has something...I’m not thrilled with AQs UTG+2 after a solid player opens UTG+1. However I don’t want to lose the fish either if I were to reraise and hit my straight/flush. For them, $6 is the same as limping $2. Figure they are easiest marks to stack, not V1.

Flop is fine (though would be disappointed the fish folded)

Turn...I’d bet. If V1 knows hero is capable of bluffing, I’m taking the lead. Generally, we should still be good here (except KK/JJ/1010/KJ/K10). V1 might call down with worse hands if he thinks we a bluffing...I’d toss $50-$60 out there. If V1 knows we are capable bluffing, it might strike him as odd if we don’t “bluff” here.

River...well wouldn’t have expected that. Can’t imagine V1 doing that with worse hands than Hero. However, if V1 is a solid player, he is not putting H on KK, JJ, 1010 (should have been 3! PF) or 44 (folds flop). I have a hard time putting V1 on JJ/10 with this line. KK/KJ/K10 makes sense...but this over bet is baffling if he has these hands. Maybe he has AQ and thinks you have Q9 and you’ll call the overbet. That’s the only time I see crazy bets like this is where someone has a nut straight with four connecting cards on the board, hoping to catch someone calling with second nut.

Regardless, I can’t see a call here. I’d tank regardless...point out to V1 that the pot is only $57 and fold.




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10-11-2018 , 08:44 AM
I’d 3b pre, too. AQo vs an EP open has its own issues, but we also don’t necessarily play great multi-way, either. I could get behind flatting AQs sometimes but I think this is a 3b pre against everyone except the tightest openers.

As played, I agree that a flop raise is 100% necessary. V has all the flop sets in his range as well as blocked AA and AK which are basically never folding. At what point did you want to get some money into the pot with the nuts? You’re describing your image as being able to bluff yet you don’t raise the concealed nuts? You seem too passive to me, which is the opposite of what you labeled yourself as.
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10-11-2018 , 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jarheads0331
V1: UTG-1 350BB tight, aggressive, plays well, seems to make +ev decisions overall, played with before. Hero stays away from him generally without premium hands

Hero: UTG-2 200 bb v1 knows hero is capable of bluffing, floating etc this session I was playing tight aggressive, lost some hands on sd to draws that caught up.

V2: dealer button overall fishy 100bb. Thinks top pair is "the nuts" hero stacked him earlier AA to q10s on a dry 10 x x board.

V3: fishy buys in all the time for 40 bb (the min) gets stacked rebuy 40 bb every time.

V1 raise 3bb
hero AQd contemplates 3! but decides to smooth call
button call
bb call

Flop: (23) Kd 10d Jh

V1: bet 18
Hero: calls figures the draw can only make my straight nuts the flush nuts
V2, and V3 both fold

Turn: (57) Ks

V1: checks
Hero: checks behind

River (57) 4s


v1: shoves
Hero: ?
Hero forgets that Villain could be drawing to a full house.
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10-11-2018 , 06:29 PM
Easy flop raise. There are soooo many hands he can call you with that raised preflop and tons of turns that can kill our action. Any paired turn, diamond or straight card.

Turn is an easy bet when checked to

River is a fold, he's not shoving with anything less than quads or a boat.

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10-13-2018 , 04:13 PM
thanks for all the replies guys. Hero calls river V1 shows down tens full. I defiantly see where the errors I made come in. That being said I don't think he folds flop to a bet. But I certainly have to fold river...
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