Join Date: May 2005
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The more I play poker, the more I realize how much I hate playing OOP. Yet when dealt hands like AQ or AK in the blinds, I feel conflicted how to play them. As a standard rule, it seems correct to raise these hands preflop for value. Yet in live 1/2 and 2/5 games there is a lot of limping with hands that should be raising. Still, a big raise pre will take down the blinds or usually get one caller. One in a while there are multiple callers, and in wild games, which are rare, there are always multiple callers. In these situations, I am less likely to raise my big aces because it doesn't accomplish much but build the pot for someone who spikes the flop.
But in standard games, I prefer to raise something like $17 in a 1/2 game or like $35-$40 in 2/5 games over multiple limpers. Like I said, well over half the time everyone just folds, or we get one call - cbet and win that half the time too. Once in a while we win a big pot, and once in a while we lose one. So I think overall it is a profitable strategy. However, I am wondering how to make it MORE profitable and to reduce variance (yes I know it is our friend).
Some players argue for not bloating pot preflop OOP, especially with unmade hands. I would agree, but then I wonder if its every correct to just complete/check with our big Aces. I usually complete/check with A10 and AJ and raise with AQ/AK, for not other reason that just my hand strength dominates more ranges, and less vulnerable to top pair, etc. I raise A10-AJ usually over LP limps or one limper.
I've started to re-think this and am wondering it makes sense to complete/check more to multiple limpers and EP limpers who could have stronger ranges, but almost always raise to MP and LP limpers.
Here is an example, without trying to be results oriented:
1/2 game
UTG limps
3 other limp
Hero (SB) raises to $18 with AQo
Only UTG calls
Flop Ac3d5d 2 diamonds
H bets $30
UTG calls
Turn 6c
H bets $100
UTG calls
River 2c check check
UTG shows AK
I know I should have just checked or bet smaller on the turn here, but what I am more concerned about is how raising preflop got me in this bloated pot totally dominated in the first place. I know the AK v AQ battle on a A flop is pretty rare, but I wouldn't call it a cooler, because it was avoidable to lose a lot less money...or was it? I think it was but its really weird to me to start checking premium Aces in the blinds and then letting Ax make two pair or whatever. I guess you always run the risk of something outflopping you. I just hope they raise me and I can lose the minimum. I suppose the same could be said for big Aces in EP. Aren't we is a pretty similar spot, except we can open for a little bit less?
I know some of this is pretty player dependent.
If UTG is the kind of guy who will call $18 with Ax and it a total station we should be raising all day. This guy was an unknown, middle aged white guy. But I tend to assume people just hate to fold and usually we are ahead of their ranges.
I would really like to hear some logical thoughts on this topic. Thank you.